Snowpiercer TV Series Ordered By TNT

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Melanie is dumped out of the train to embark on a "suicide mission," then nothing until they get a ping from the weather balloon confirming her survival?

It was the only tensile moment in the episode, so they had to have something or otherwise it would have all about shadows and mysteries. Now we know that she's alive, or at least some captured the message and downloaded it somewhere. Thing is, if there are some other people then this is also adding about to the tension as we simply don't know.

I think someone should warn Alex that she should be more than pretend enemies with LJ.

I think she can handle herself. They seemed like old friends, but we never know has LJ calmed down or is she still waiting for that trigger moment to let the psycho out.
 

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has LJ calmed down or is she still waiting for that trigger moment to let the psycho out.
I'd place my bet on psycho. Which would be worse: spoiled rich kid psycho or janitor psycho with full-train access?
 

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Which would be worse: spoiled rich kid psycho or janitor psycho with full-train access?

I see your point. LJ, like you say, will most certainly use the opportunity as she already did in the observation car.

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There is something to be said about the Big Alice doctors and their bedside manner. Although I cannot blame them, because in the real life, these people are actually real. They are brilliant researchers, but when it comes to the caring side, forget about it because they don't have it.

They will cure you and make you better, but along the ride they won't apologise or even tell you what is happening or why they're doing certain procedures. You can complain about it, but at the end of the day, it won't work, so why bother? The pain is pain and in their situation, it's not like they can hire a couple of beautiful Filipino nurses to take care of the business.

It ain't happening.

The Headwoods are the only, best hope that's available. So, it's up to patients to take care of themselves. With Viv it happened a lot and I too ended not only caring for her, but also a fleet of other patients that their families had left and forgotten in the hospital. It is a true blessing that the patients can, and will know how to get around certain things, like Josie's panic attack.

The doctors, when they're like that, they only care about the numbers, charts and their business. And it's unfortunate, but what a lovely sweet man Icy Bob turned out to be under that monstrous exterior.

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I am scared on Audries behalf as last time Mr Wilford were dreaming about murdering her and now the dinner is happening in the Big Alice. It is almost as if the luxury pad at Big Alice has inherited the status of the infamous Chigaco Murder House, meaning you're lucky if you get back out. Lucky or a chosen one, because in my view Mr Wilford is aiming to murder everyone.

Then again we have our own psycho LJ to worry in the Snowpiercer. It was hilarious to see her grinning after she smacked lights out from Mr Pike. It is as if she's waiting anxiously a permission to get on with the grimy business. And that worries me, because between Mr Wilford and her, the passengers are in danger.

Maybe the strangest thing is that Alex doesn't see either of them as danger. Mr Wilford is like a daddy she never had and LJ the best mate, ever. Does it mean that she's a psycho too?

The most tensile moment in the episode was with Audrey doing her spy task, while Wilford were mixing drinks. I was thinking he's going to spike her or out right murder her if she gets caught.

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In is very strange to think Snowpiercer's Earth as the Snowball Earth and see the sun shining almost from cloudless skies. In the last episode we saw aurora's flaring and they don't happen without clear skies and solar wind. So, in the scientific terms there is something troubling in their world, because the weather is not consistent. It is changing and even though they announced that the temperature is -118 C it is coming down from earlier numbers. And that measurement was taken at early morning, when the suns warmth hadn't added up.

Then there is the wind chill factor. It will make everything to feel colder than what it actually is. Yet, they never talk about it, even though they could have added the the calculations within the weather announcement.

To my eyes, that ice is melting. Not piling up and getting higher. So, in that sense, how many times they can circumnavigate the globe before it's impossible as the Earth returns back to its normal state in the goldilocks zone?

You look carefully at that data and the hypotheses from the early Earth states and you can get to the conclusion pretty quickly. The snowball earth happened, because our young planet was still going through the stages while the Sun and all the other planets were clearing up the space. You can assume that everything was covered in a nebula.

But under the ice, volcanism and tectonics were happening as they are today in Antarctica. In that icy continent case it has been going for millions of years. But for this world, it is a new thing. Yet, you can assume that fire is spewing out from tops, even if they're sitting in the ice field. And that activity would soot a lot of ice cover.

If you follow that analogue, you'll find that at the end of the day some places would be always melting and some would always remain free from ice. In the long term the volcanism would return the globe back to its normal state.

When Melanie didn't come back, and I suspect that she cannot contact the balloon from other-side of the world without using a satellite uplink., they did the right thing and lied for the hope. Even if she's dead, the hope will keep them alive and things in order.

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Long live the king, the king is dead. Layton you surprise me. Totally. But then again, maybe it shouldn't be a such surprise because he came from the streets, lived time in the Tail before he became the king. In that sense it absolutely makes sense that he would use a page from the book and use it to wipe out the threats.

Terance was a good kingpin, but Mr Pike is better and he's in Layton's pocket. In those terms a right move, yes?

Maybe more righteous thing was taking out the breachmen, but the question is did Layton do it or were they the mark? Is the plan still to murder everyone in the Snowpiercer?
 

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There is something to be said about the Big Alice doctors and their bedside manner.
Didn't Icy Bob caution Josie that the doctors were dangerous to cross, or was he talking about someone else?
Josie's ability to undergo the tissue removal procedure without anesthesia was remarkable. If the doctors had not been chattering so much, they would have noticed that she was conscious. Of course, she would then have not been able to gather so much intel about Wilford's plans.
Maybe the strangest thing is that Alex doesn't see either of them as danger. Mr. Wilford is like a daddy she never had and LJ the best mate, ever. Does it mean that she's a psycho too?
Alex has a few quirks, most likely stemming from abandonment issues, but I don't think she's as warped as LJ.
The most tensile moment in the episode was with Audrey doing her spy task, while Wilford were mixing drinks. I was thinking he's going to spike her or out right murder her if she gets caught.
It looked like Dubs was wise to Audrey's aborted attempt to get into the junction box and switch the wires. Is he sufficiently enamored of her to just keep a closer eye on her but keep her alive, or will he decide that killing her would be the safest route to take? She should have decided to cross back into Snowpiercer territory, but that might have caused Wilford to end her right there.
When Melanie didn't come back, and I suspect that she cannot contact the balloon from other-side of the world without using a satellite uplink., they did the right thing and lied for the hope. Even if she's dead, the hope will keep them alive and things in order.
At least they put a little drama back into her situation. We'll probably get a backstory next, ending with what went wrong at her last scheduled message time and recovery.
Long live the king, the king is dead. Layton you surprise me. Totally. But then again, maybe it shouldn't be a such surprise because he came from the streets, lived time in the Tail before he became the king. In that sense it absolutely makes sense that he would use a page from the book and use it to wipe out the threats.
No surprise that he considers himself above getting his political hands dirty. Pike's rationalization about going back to his old bad murderous self by giving his target a sporting chance was a little strange
Is the plan still to murder everyone in the Snowpiercer?
Not unless he is completely insane. What fun is being king if you have no subjects? Plus, he can't run the train on his own.
Apparently the breachmen were expendable, from somebody's perspective.
Who is that shrouded killer doing such a professional job?
 

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Didn't Icy Bob caution Josie that the doctors were dangerous to cross, or was he talking about someone else?

He did but I assumed it was about their business, and not about Wilford's business. I understood it as a warning against not taking the drugs and somehow cocking up the business.

Josie's ability to undergo the tissue removal procedure without anesthesia was remarkable. If the doctors had not been chattering so much, they would have noticed that she was conscious. Of course, she would then have not been able to gather so much intel about Wilford's plans.

Women, they do that and when it does boil over, you'll get told off and as well as everyone else in the vicinity and they don't spare a thought is it a wise or not. It's just steam venting off in great amounts and at the end, you still have to deal with the pain business.

We men tend to grunt or then stay completely silently until it's not healthy any more, like it has happened with my dad many times. One time with an acetone torch and when he came in to tell about it, we thought initially it was much less than what it really was.

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It looked like Dubs was wise to Audrey's aborted attempt to get into the junction box and switch the wires. Is he sufficiently enamored of her to just keep a closer eye on her but keep her alive, or will he decide that killing her would be the safest route to take? She should have decided to cross back into Snowpiercer territory, but that might have caused Wilford to end her right there.

I thought the failed mission was the only reason as well. It cannot be Wilford's company, that's for sure, even if they were once lovers. Then again, maybe it is about the love after all. Without him she would not have had much. With him she has the whole world. So in her shoes she could think about twice on saying not to the queen position.

What does she really have in the Snowpiercer? The club? Is it enough of reason to stay on that side?

We assume that it's the mission, but at the end of the day, if this was higher writing then defection would totally be in the cards and Wilford would be once step closer on the path to become the King of whole train.

Pike's rationalization about going back to his old bad murderous self by giving his target a sporting chance was a little strange

Weren't he one of the guys who came out from the ice? Didn't Layton recover him from a box?

Who is that shrouded killer doing such a professional job?

I thought it was Layton, but it cannot be, can it?
 

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Finally!

I was so afraid that we were going to have to wait till they were back in Americas to find out what happened to Melanie. And, I'd like to apologise in advance, there might be some radio science involved. I cannot help it. After all I'm an engineer.

Still it's amazing to see Melanie drifting through the piles, trusting that her machine were going to hold, even though the temperatures are below the normal operating range for the snow cats and other mobiles.

She was so lucky that the machine broke down in a sight distance from the Weather Station, when it could have been miles and miles more. What I don't get is how did that snow storm developed so quickly?

I thought that it was established that it wasn't happening. That there could not be a blizzard. Just sunny or cloud skies and real cold. Even for Finns.

In her shoes I'd have gone to collect the other stuff from snow before exploring the station. I know that it was her mission, but her mission is also to survive and she cannot do it without the kit. The thing is so important because if you don't do it sooner, you're going to have to fight the ice later.

To be frank, it was amazing to see that she used solar panels to power the station. Typically they don't work in the winter conditions very well, as they get covered with the powder and then caked in ice when temperatures fluctuate.

The ideal is to use ground heat to heat up whole place, and then use something else to power the station.

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Oh Melanie, you're so effed. Ice drifts has known to happen and it feel for you girl. All that gear and the snowcat. You are so screwed. I know personally it's a pain-in-the-backside job to go out to get the stuff, when you're dead tired, cold and wanting to just sit in warmth.

Winter is harsh and unforgiving. Do things wrong way and you'll end up paying for it. More so then in warm countries. And nobody will hear you screaming in middle of the Big White.

I love that Mr Wilford came to sully her mood in the aftermath. But she didn't give up. Not even when the arm was on offer. The problem with the food is that in cold, you'll burn more calories. When they're gone the body starts to eat the fat and then muscles. Eventually the last thing to go is the brain.

Funny thing is that Melanie remembered to the conversation about the numbers, as she was complaining about Mr Wilford manufacturing the NightCar. Thing is, you just cannot close people in the steel tube and remove all the culture.

Anarchy is a state where the norms are broken. Anarchy in the Snowpiercer is a bad thing.

Three thousand souls however is enough to restart the population. It was truly intriguing to see how Mr Wilford handled that problem. Back then he was already bastard and most probably very well aware of his darker side.

So in his shoes, why not to be the King and choose exactly who you want in the train. The Tailies is the unknown chaos particle in the equation. Without them, Mr Wilford could probably have been able to capture the whole train.

All in all, it all fits in my mind.

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Holy Smoke! I was right. The volcanism never stopped. Why didn't she see a smoke plume coming from some crack? Not that I'm complaining as not only she found warmth, but she found stuff for the Rat BBQ.

Yum, yum. The best kind of apocalyptic survival food. And the best thing, it's fresh!

Win-Win.

In this scifi situation we are in I'd imagine that Melanie is picturing a way to harness that thermal energy. After all in that one spot, she has endless amount of it.

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There ain't no way to get that fixed. You need a crew to get it erected and those cables tightened. Three people minimum. Not one. And certainly not one that has been essentially starving, because erecting the tower in that cold you're going to burn calories.

So science, the maths and the simple facts makes it so tedious. But what I don't get is how she was able to use the tower to listen the probes on other side of the world? Not that they would stay loft forever as they are depicted in the small screen. They just wouldn't as normally they would pop in 48 hours and then the instrument set would parachute down for recovery.

I know that there are balloons that can stay aloft for longer period, but thing is, you cannot encapsulate them in a small package to launched on sky. Then there is the globe. The simple fact is that there is this thing called radio horizon. Beyond it things are going to get difficult. Hence they claim that the dark side of the Moon is the best place for the radio telescope, because it is in the radio darkness.

Ain't no way that the norm terrestrial traffic gets there. Not easily as it would pass straight through without a satellite. And that is the reason why Jade Rabbit is still working over there. The Chinese simply made a machine that can stand the two weeks of darkness to continue the mission.

Her mission is over. And in her shoes I'd have started planning for that return trip as without the Snowcat, it's going to be a long, long trip.

The science is in the data she'd already captured. It is hidden there.

Melanie might not see it. She thought that saving rest of the data is her mission. That she could somehow perform a miracle, when the Mother Nature was saying: "No! Ef it Melanie! You got what you came for. Now go!"

Maybe I'm harsh, but she already got it, when the data returned from the probes after that miraculous fix. The climate model and all.

If she had been on pickup sooner, she could probably have been able to jump. Now it's a trip back to the darkness and rat BBQ.

Superb episode! I am sorry about my niggling, but it's how I feel about things that I would have done personally in this situation. There is a way to incorporate all three novels in this series!
 

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Rats! Smarter than the average human when it comes to survival! Good thing Melanie is well above average
As an engineer, she had no problem devising a trap to catch her unsuspected roommate. She was also smart enough to realize Ratso was not alone.
I thought her nutrition-starved, hallucinating brain had driven her to immediately put the rat in a pot of water and boil it -- fur, guts and all -- for lunch. Releasing it and tracking its wet footprints back to rat central and a steady menu of rat-on-a-stick was sheer genius.
Funny that the builders of the weather station didn't take advantage of the natural heat source. It must have been there. A rat construction crew wouldn't have missed it.
 
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Funny that the builders of the weather station didn't take advantage of the natural heat source. It must have been there. A rat construction crew wouldn't have missed it.

Melanie said something along the line that it had developed during the climate change. I'm not sure of the process, but it sounds plausible, and while the station was operational, they might have not noticed because it wasn't a spewing geyser. Nevertheless it is an energy and a heat source that she should start exploiting now that she's on her own. If she was able to figure out a perpetual engine, thermal energy conversion shouldn't be too difficult.

Rats! Smarter than the average human when it comes to survival! Good thing Melanie is well above average
As an engineer, she had no problem devising a trap to catch her unsuspected roommate. She was also smart enough to realize Ratso was not alone.
I thought her nutrition-starved, hallucinating brain had driven her to immediately put the rat in a pot of water and boil it -- fur, guts and all -- for lunch. Releasing it and tracking its wet footprints back to rat central and a steady menu of rat-on-a-stick was sheer genius.

Funny how we both are excited about the little furry creatures.
 

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Melanie said something along the line that it had developed during the climate change. I'm not sure of the process, but it sounds plausible, and while the station was operational, they might have not noticed because it wasn't a spewing geyser. Nevertheless it is an energy and a heat source that she should start exploiting now that she's on her own. If she was able to figure out a perpetual engine, thermal energy conversion shouldn't be too difficult.
I wondered if Melanie missing the train was just another hallucination. She was in the station when she felt Snowpiercer's approach, yet she was able to get to the tracks while the train was still passing. Getting to the station seemed like a much longer journey. Uphill vs. downhill?
It doesn't seem like keeping Melanie marooned at the station would be a great plot development. I don't want to see her run out of fresh rats and be forced to start munching on the dead scientists.
 

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I wondered if Melanie missing the train was just another hallucination. She was in the station when she felt Snowpiercer's approach, yet she was able to get to the tracks while the train was still passing. Getting to the station seemed like a much longer journey. Uphill vs. downhill?

That's the thing. It took her two days on Snowcat to find the station, and yet, she was able to get back and do all the packing in super short time. Like I said, when the mast went down I would have moved on to get back to the train stage, but she didn't.

It doesn't seem like keeping Melanie marooned at the station would be a great plot development. I don't want to see her run out of fresh rats and be forced to start munching on the dead scientists.

If there are rats, there are other animals and insects, plus she has the heat to start planting the seeds. Finding a chicken or a pair of rabbits would be a miracle.
 

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Revolution. Wilford Revolution. The End?

To be honest this episode is heavy with betrayal and it is extremely violent. I cannot imagine that it is easy watching for anyone. On the character sides, Ruth is the hidden star. We know how wicked and ruthless she was in the first season. Almost matching one from the movies, but never really going all the way with the crazy old bat angle.

There is so much madness in the train that it's quite overwhelming when it's exposed in this episode. The people really has cooking inside the tincan and I can only imagine it's because of all those massed up feelings of loss and everything else.

After all they have gone through the apocalypse, survived it to be entrapped forever inside the ever moving train that cannot stop. Not for a long or they're all in trouble, but the chaos reminds me about the end scenes in the movie so much.

People went absolutely nuts, but some of it was because they'd all been sniffing the timetravelling drug to escape the apathy. If you look closely the whole train is full of it. It is almost as if they all need time off from the train because the air in it is choking them.

Then again all things has been driving towards this point and I cannot think any other way this could gone. The things that started all the way back in the first season is just reaching the boiling point and I think there's going to be a serious carnage towards the end of this season.

There is no other way as we saw that the middle of the train was in fire when they'd reached the pickup and Mr Wilford was nowhere to be seen. Back then I imagined that he much be in middle of that action and at the end there is going to be only one king in the train, Layton or him.

Maybe the biggest twists are Audrie turning to be Wilford loyalist, almost as if she'd always wanted it. And she saved Kevin by turning him into a dog. Then the next biggest one was Pike almost losing an arm, and the murderer turning out be an upper class bimbo, before the pastor was revealed to be the spy.

Tinker. Tailor. Pastor. Spy.

What can I say?
 

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Ruth is the hidden star. We know how wicked and ruthless she was in the first season.
Her ability to stop those willing to take Layton's arm in place of Pike's was impressive. Maybe Ruth should be in charge, with Layton serving as a tailie leadership figurehead.
Maybe the biggest twists are Audrie turning to be Wilford loyalist, almost as if she'd always wanted it.
I don't think she's turned. She just didn't want another bloodletting trip to the bathtub under Wilford's twisted sense of revenge.
I don't understand how turning Kevin back into a Wilford worshipper earned Audrey redemption. She had nothing to lose.
I was surprised to learn that Kevin hadn't been sliced and diced into a variety of entrees for Wilford's dinner table.
Tinker. Tailor. Pastor. Spy. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Her ability to stop those willing to take Layton's arm in place of Pike's was impressive. Maybe Ruth should be in charge, with Layton serving as a tailie leadership figurehead.

Indeed, it's like she's this unspoken hero, who nobody thought would have balls to silence a mop and order them to stop. That is impressive. The guys were ready to just give there up and then. "Oh please Ruth, not the bollocking. Anything but that... pleeeeese."

But she has that aura which tells you to obey. In some other setting she could be a queen or some other matriarchal figure. So I guess we could call her as The Queen of Hospitality - Do not cross her words or it won't be good!

Layton probably don't get it or don't see it, even though she's been there, always. If he did, he could use it to his advantage. "Oh no bois, listen to me, or listen to Ruth, which is it?"

Thing is, things are escalating and escaping from his grasp and there seems to be at least 40+ percent of the people who wants a switch in the leadership.

I don't understand how turning Kevin back into a Wilford worshipper earned Audrey redemption. She had nothing to lose.

Poor judgement, perhaps. He thinks he's a master on reading people, but it's not working. Although the way Audrie acted, she made me to believe that she had turned. To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me because in the sense of micro-cosmos she's at the moment as close to being goddess as she can. Who would say no to that?
 

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Man oh man, the mood is super sullied after the Night of Red Lanterns. I was surprised that Layton actually recognised that there are now no-go zones in the train for him. And he's the King from Tail.

It feels as if he has really played his cards badly. King Ragnar would have recognised Wilford's ruse, but none of us guessed what was his move. The Icy Bob is the legendary engineer. The water hack was his execution, and it was elegantly explained, totally pwning the Snowpiercer and it's precious engineers.

The question is, where is the little tail engineer? I have not seen him in whole season. Did he die or something? It's just if Layton would be a real Tail king, he would recognise the physical hack. He would understand it marvellous design and he would laugh at it, instead of staring at the situation like a rabbit in the headlights.

If King Wilford can execute this level attack on a train that keeps them all alive, he is literally owning all of them and all the lives are in his hands. Queen Audrie on her side they have everything they need to keep the kingdom going until the vicious and probably a very cold end ... of them all.

This has to be a story of how they all died.

Thing is, with the mad scientist invention in Wilford's hand and them being so loyal, he is reaching towards immortality. And with the level of Wilford worship going around he is going to probably worshipped as a god.

The intriguing twist is that because of the damn hack, the Snowpiercer had to slow down, explaining quite well for why Melanie was able to reach the train, even though she was days late on her schedule.

I doubt Layton has ever faced a mastermind like Wilford in his previous life. He was a detective. Not even a chief one of them. And I doubt he were ever a player. Not in a high level power game that went between him and Wilford in the Eternal Engine.

If he had been smart, he would have shanked the Chief Engineer as soon as he fixed the engine, instead of yielding the game. His power was born in violence, and yet, he's not willing to do it on his own.

The way I see it, this only leaves two options, another revolution or an outside hack by Melanie ... or then something really cocking up in the Eternal Engine.
 

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If he had been smart, he would have shanked the Chief Engineer as soon as he fixed the engine, instead of yielding the game. His power was born in violence, and yet, he's not willing to do it on his own
Layton's presidential position was already teetering before the existential crisis. He would not have gained any support by killing the legendary engineer immediately after he had heroically saved the train and everyone on it. Few would take Layton's word that the train had been sabotaged by Wilford himself.
I continue to be unimpressed with Layton's leadership abilities. He should have had a Plan B, in the highly possible event that Wilford gained the upper hand, other than firing a flare announcing his loss.
Josie's frostproof hand was a new development. Does that mean she and Icy Bob will be dating soon?
Is Roche going down with Layton? Were those is wife and daughter strapped into those drawers? Are they being put into cold storage?
 
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Layton's presidential position was already teetering before the existential crisis. He would not have gained any support by killing the legendary engineer immediately after he had heroically saved the train and everyone on it. Few would take Layton's word that the train had been sabotaged by Wilford himself.

It would have solved the Wilford problem and in his position I think he'll need to take one problem at time. After all he doesn't even have anyone to give him advice or other ideas. It's a problem that he has to be the ideas guy and not just the el presidente.

I continue to be unimpressed with Layton's leadership abilities. He should have had a Plan B, in the highly possible event that Wilford gained the upper hand, other than firing a flare announcing his loss.

That's what I mean, he just stared at Wilford smirking at him and walking in the cockpit to announce his defeat. But what should have been his plan B, because I cannot think outside of murder anything else. He has no real abilities that I know of other then being clever and somewhat cunning.

Josie's frostproof hand was a new development. Does that mean she and Icy Bob will be dating soon?

:LOL: No. I don't thinks so. They're already doing it. With him guarding over her and she exploring her new life. But in the story essence, as she's Layton loyalist, she's going to be the secret weapon. But knowing what the cold did to Icy Bob, can she survive the long walk?

Is Roche going down with Layton?

Yeah, I think it was his choice. They are all going into the cryonic freezer to enjoy the long sleep and possibly getting reprogrammed just like what happened to the Tailies in the drawers.
 

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It is strange that after the takeover the train has been running smoothly with no hickups, no real problem. Almost as if either people are pleased or scared of what's coming next. Also why Ruth is now warming for rebellious ideas?

Maybe the biggest surprised Kevin's actions as Wilford's poodle. There is nothing in him left that would be original. Everything else is pushed away to show a new face, a loyal face almost as if Kevin has been castrated. With no bollocks there is no will.

Maybe the worst faith is Layton's with him now working in the guts of the food factory. Well, I don't know if it's the worst, because the King Wilford is turning the dials towards the chaos with his Wizard of Oz trick.

I wondered when he was going to pull a hot-air balloon out his hat, before it was revealed that the whole brainwashing program was ready to launch in the Car 272. As interesting it might be I am expecting the rebellion brewing among the passengers. The final push before submitting to whole ordeal.

To be honest, I am expecting for a big fight that determines who is the boss. Layton told to Wilford's face, "You're not unique. You're a old, white dictator with a train set." And a psychopaths mind.

Wilford's reply was that the peoples will were gravitating towards the obedience. That they had no choice but to accept the glory of Wilford's administration. Whatever it might be with Audrey on her side as the Queen of the Snowpiercer.

Maybe the best line came from Alex: "A train under a God and Audrey."

It is the same insanity that was present in the movie and maybe more recently in the Raised by Wolves. Thing is, everyone are quite sane and they understand what is happening, while Wilford is teetering in the brink of total madness.

The biggest asset that Wilford has Audrey with all the secrets locked in her head. Unlike other dictators, Wilford is using all of the assets to lay strong foundation for his insani... er, administration.

Thing is, the show predicts are dark, grim, cold future, with humans at bottom of the food chain. There's not much left, and with the rule of every life matters, because they're needed in the long run to prevent us breeding insane, mutated kids.

There is only war in the future, not peace and repopulation. What we are watching is the tale of how they all died. Especially with Alex revelation about Wilford's Purge in Big Alice.

With the second purge going on, how it is going to end?
 

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To my eyes that looks like around solid -40 C day. With a bright sunny skies. Not that since there are no cloud cover it is colder and with the wind picking up speed, it is super cold. So believable up to -120C.

But you again look at the tower, it's solid after the magical story fix and the panels are glimmering in the sunlight. With batteries, that is good, but with the geothermal going at under, things are looking promising. The odd thing that is missing and I assume it was a production issue, but that steam would have broken through the ice and we would see dark patches, like we see in the Antartica.

Earth is alive under that white blanket, and it is warm.

That is the hope and promise, but is Andre able to deliver the glorious second revolution?

What I like is that Layton will understood what it means to be the King. The payment is always in blood and to keep him in power, he'll need to commit to the grim job. There is no really remorse in that play, only one thing that needs to be done.

Funny thing is that since Layton is a former homicide detective, he should know and have learned from the best in the business. The Kingpins of the lost world were the best as they had whole world in their disposal, not just a train.

If Layton studied it, he should have all the plans and lessons he needs. And first order in his business was raiding Wilford's armoury. What I loved was the fact that Ruth used gladius, which I personally have written extensively in my books. It was only designed for one business and it does it very efficiently. No questions asked.

What I don't get is why Layton didn't bring back some of the armoury pieces or some of the modern firearms Wilford most certainly had hidden in his cabin.

The only thing that went wrong was Ben losing patience in the cockpit and thinking he can take out Wilford attack dog. It was the turn that did the trick. But the mistake he did was leaving her alive. The rule #2 - Double Tap.

The problem Wilford has is that he lost Javi and then Alex. At the end he also lost "Scream Like a Girl" Kevin to Ruth shenigans. To be honest, there's no engineers, only him that can do the job with the Snowpiercer gone back to get Melanie or rather her precious data.
 

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Almost as if either people are pleased or scared of what's coming next. Also why Ruth is now warming for rebellious ideas?

Maybe cautious? They want security, but they've discovered democracy didn't work out too well. Yet, surely they remember how things were under the cast system as conceived by Wilford and enforced by Melanie.

As for Ruth. she likes power, and she made her choice before Wilford made his comeback. With Layton out of the way and Audrey flipped, Ruth now heads the rebels, which she prefers to being just another of Wilford "Kevins."
Maybe the worst faith is Layton's with him now working in the guts of the food factory.

More like the bowels of the train. I loved how they turned the sewers into a communication system with the flush of a toilet. Ruth also surprised me by how she adapted so quickly to her new habitat.
She was always so prim and proper in her "teals." I expected her to pass out from the stench the moment she entered the treatment center.
The biggest asset that Wilford has Audrey with all the secrets locked in her head.

I am disappointed that Audrey is so firmly back in Wilford's power. She apparently has no problem with being labeled a whore and traitor in her willingness to do anything to survive
There is only war in the future, not peace and repopulation. What we are watching is the tale of how they all died. Especially with Alex revelation about Wilford's Purge in Big Alice.

Wilford's plans for culling the train population should motivate unity for everyone below first-class status. I don't think any of them want to be slaughtered to free resources for more privileged passengers.

What I loved was the fact that Ruth used gladius,

She did well, plus she looks a lot cuter in braids. :)
The only thing that went wrong was Ben losing patience in the cockpit and thinking he can take out Wilford attack dog.
Ben was lucky to win that little scuffle. He forgot Mark Twain's words of wisdom: "It's not the size of the dog in the fight. It's the size of the fight in the dog."

I don't think Melanie is dead, a suspicion that may have been confirmed by show executive producer, Becky Clements. I wonder if some contract negotiations had been resolved.


The question remains whether Melanie will be miraculously saved or she will appear only in flashbacks.
 
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