6.06: Abyss

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Originally posted by skydiver
It has only been a few days (several?) since jack went to the tok'ra so we can asume that frozen, nightwalkers and abyss all happened within a 2-3 week span or so at the most
for Hammond to be that upset with the Tok'ra representative, I think it had to be more than just a few days or even two weeks. They Tok'ra sounded like they'd been giving the SGC a lot of promises (heh, again.) and I'm feeling much more time was in there. This season is rife with space and time for the fic authors to have fun with.

And for "more of Jack as Tok'ra" it would be fun, but Abyss established that he didn't remember a thing from the end of Frozen to his capture. Any story about his time among the Tok'ra would not really be "Jack" so to speak. Unless it were established that the symbote did a memory wipe on him as it escaped... was that implied anywhere??
 

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Originally posted by CynVision


And for "more of Jack as Tok'ra" it would be fun, but Abyss established that he didn't remember a thing from the end of Frozen to his capture.

it was only temporary amnesia - by the end of the ep he had regained at least some of his memory. he remembered why kanan came back for the slave ("he loved her. he came back to save her.")
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Originally posted by skydiver
well if anyone is interested, apparently Joe came into chat last night and when asked about daniel influencing sam, teal'c, Yu etc.

he said that people are welcome to interpret whatever they
want from any part of the show but that from a behind the scenes
point of view, Daniel actually influenced *no one*....not even
Teal'c.

How does Joe know this? According to R.C.C., Joe only watches the episodes he writes... ;)

Best wishes,
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Originally posted by Gemsong
Of course I have a thing for Jack, therefore I'm rather biasd but I think this was one of his better episodes. :)

Really Gemmy?? :reyes: You have a thing for Jack?? :reyes:

LOL!!

Sorry for the sarcastic mode, couldn't help myself. :D

A really great Jack episode. Wonderful Jack/Daniel interaction and terrific snarky comments from the master.

"Though a candle burns in my house, no one is home"

That has GOT to be my favorite! I laughed soooo hard! It was great!

All in all, a stellar episode.

Kat:)
 

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no matter what eps joe watches...he's probably in the meetings for all of them. but you can also leave him a message on gateworld forum if you'd like to ask him.
I can only relay what i've read.

as to the days....well hammond says

Hammond: "Councilor Thoran...I'm afraid my patience on this matter has
just about run out. You've been promising the safe return of Colonel
O'Neill for days. Where is he?"

Thoran: "I'm afraid I am the bearer of bad news..."


(from the transcript)

now i would imagine if it'd been weeks or a month or so, hammond's line wouldhave been 'you've been promising the safe return of colonel o'neill for weeks...where is he'

which is where i get the time span of 2-3 weeks at teh most from frozen to abyss. In nightwalkers sam says that the tok'ra are still looking for a new host. and that mission seems to take a couple of days or so.
 

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Originally posted by gategeek
it was only temporary amnesia - by the end of the ep he had regained at least some of his memory. he remembered why kanan came back for the slave ("he loved her. he came back to save her.")
Half of me wants Jack to have been used by the Tok'ra for a few missions, the other half cringes at how ****ed he'd be when he remembered he had been.
 

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If Jack had been working WITH Kanan... I could have dealt with that.

I'm liking the Tok'ra less and less these days.

Their right to arrogance is becoming more and more unfounded.
 

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I really enjoyed this episode! I had no expectations, so I knew I wouldn't be disappointed. I also thought the gravity thing was cool...what a different idea! It was great to see Danny again (I just wish the rest of the team got to see him). Like in that episode (I think it was part 2 of the season opener....when they all felt that breeze at the base and Jack knew it was Daniel....why didn't he tell the rest of the team that he thought it was Daniel? I hope he told the team about Danile being there with him in the cell, maybe in next week's ep thjere will be some follow up. Anyway, I really enjoyed this episode. I plan to watch it again (I taped it of course) before the next episode. :D
 

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well seeing how's I haven't seen any of S6 yet, that breezy Danny bit happened at the very end of the last ep of S5.
 

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jack's amnesia

well explanations have ranged from, kanan having control of jack and therefore jack really didn't know. it was kanan that came back and jack was just along for the ride

another one is that kanan did it on purpose. if kanan blanked out jack's mind, it increased that chance that he wouldn't reveal
shaman's name and thus condemn her to death.

another theory is that jack and kanan agreed on rescueing shaman, but jack wanted help (sg-1 maybe) and kanan being too impatient for that so kanan taking control and making jack go back to the planet
 

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Originally posted by Gemsong
Their right to arrogance is becoming more and more unfounded.
Ah, but according to Sam it's passion not arrogance. :D

And it's sort of cool that despite the human hosts, which likely has lulled the us into ascribing human traits and motives to the Tok'ra when there aren't, they are as alien as the rest. (System Lord Goa'uld, Asgard, Nox, The Oma race, etc.) It's interesting to see that the Earth human/Tok'ra alliance is far from stable. And for all our technical prowess, we're treading on a few toes.
 

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well, as I said I haven't seen any S6, however, couldn't Jack's "amnisia" really just that he hasn't been blended for very long? Sam didn't start remembering Jolanar's memories for some time after J. died.
 

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i think some of sam's not remembering was due to the trauma of her possession and death. She strikes me as teh type to bury her emotions etc. and likely it took her some time to come to terms with it enough to try and remember those memories
 

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couldn't Jack have done the same seeing how much he doesn't want to have a snake in the head, so happy when it's gone in Hathor..no wait the one where she returns...In the the Fire?
 

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Originally posted by skoon
couldn't Jack have done the same seeing how much he doesn't want to have a snake in the head, so happy when it's gone in ...the one where she returns...In the the Fire?
I'd call that denial. And maybe he could be starting with that to avoid remembering. I've always thought that was how Jack was supressing anything he might have picked up from the first Goa'uld. But I think Baal's torture was used in the story to hit home that Jack is not in control of the memories. Not even pain could spur him to remember more than the smallest fragments.
 

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This one was worth waiting for. The "tricks" Bal did with gravity were quite evil. Solid ep with screentime all round.

The gravety stuff was cool, but it seemed like they were trying to do a lil too much with the special effects. It would have gone just as well if Jack was shackled to the wall and Bal had walked up and stabed/poured acid.

Excellent show! But doesn't everyone miss seeing the rescue??? We really haven't seen that much fighting and/or rescues. I think that maybe MGM might be getting back to the way that SG-1 should be and let me throw in that it would be great without the commercials.

No show will ever air commercial-free, unless it’s on a network such as Showtime. Commercials are the price we pay for the move to Sci-fi.
 

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with hathor's snake, it was in jack for just a few minutes...long enough for jack ro freeze and kill it. i would think what sharing would have been done wouldhave been minimal. the snake was too concerned with setting up housekeeping and then survival.

kanan and jack have been blended for several days at least. surely time enough for memories to have been shared. if they did that. it's possible jack told kanan to keep his mouth shut and leave him alone until he could get a new host

maybe it's something they'll deal with in further eps
 

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Originally posted by spider
It would have gone just as well if Jack was shackled to the wall and Bal had walked up and stabed/poured acid.
I'll disagree. I think it was all needed. Even to the point where Baal never touches him physically has a part to Baal's character. The Goa'uld have to be technically advanced over stuff or I'd never buy that they're running a small part of the galaxy and giving the Asgard so much competition.

And it was about time they got to brass tacks and done some neat science fiction ideas. I'm trying to think of other instances where I'm like "wow. that's cool" and not coming up with too many. I also haven't watched enough to pic apart the physics errors, if there were any. But the idea is so cool I'm willing to forgive a lot in this episode.
 

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Originally posted by skydiver
with hathor's snake, ... the snake was too concerned with setting up housekeeping and then survival.

kanan and jack have been blended for several days at least. surely time enough for memories to have been shared. if they did that. it's possible jack told kanan to keep his mouth shut and leave him alone until he could get a new host

maybe it's something they'll deal with in further eps
1. yeah. makes sense.
2. This lends punch to the scene with Daniel where he's saying that he thinks Jack is a morally superior being and Jack is refuting it. All the cool stuff Jack could have learned from Kanan and he didn't... it paints Jack in a very different light: a man who cannot open his mind no matter what the benefits. Jack becomes less of a hero and more a man you just plain and outright feel sorry for.
3. We can only hope they do something with it.
 

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Originally posted by skydiver
it's possible jack told kanan to keep his mouth shut and leave him alone until he could get a new host

I could really see that happening, as much as Jack dislikes the thought of blending.

Kat
 

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