Books and P2P - help please

Leto

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Hello,

I've got stuck with a problem here. I have to write an article about P2P and books/comics. For this I need figures of it, contacts infos from editors and comments from authors/readers.

So please post your thoughts here and/or PM me about it.

Thanks a lot in advance for any help you could provide.
 
peer-to-peer network, like Kazaa, eMule or Bittorrent... Better known for being illegal providers of music or movies, but also of books (Harry Potter 6, Da Vinci Code and some oddity)
 
Leto said:
peer-to-peer network, like Kazaa, eMule or Bittorrent... Better known for being illegal providers of music or movies, but also of books (Harry Potter 6, Da Vinci Code and some oddity)

Oh! I'm afraid I'm probably not going to be a lot of help then. Sorry.
 
Mark, you're a published writer. Your opinion on the fact people could download for free your book can help.
 
Leto said:
Mark, you're a published writer. Your opinion on the fact people could download for free your book can help.

My reply displayed my ignorance. Call me naive if you will, but I was not aware that this was a problem with books. I'm not a music fan and haven't bought a CD in years, so I've not really been following developments in this sort of area. I'll have a think about it tonight and try to post something for you tomorrow. Right now, it's time for me to make tracks.
 
Tomorrow would be great. Thanks a lot for your help.
 
As can be expected, SF writers already have an opinion or two on this.


Here's a rant by SF author John Scalzi on all this: http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/003538

No doubt you're aware of Cory Doctorow offering all his books as free downloads. His site www.craphound.com is a place worth looking at for more on his rationale.

Scalzi pretty much sums up my own opinion on these matters.

As for the actual availability of pirated e-books on p2p networks, I can tell you that you can pretty much get anythng you want to read in this fashion. People mostly use p2p for music and porn, of course, but books aren't far behind. I prefer a physical copy though.
 
JP, thanks a lot ! I've tried with HP6 and on Sunday, at least 5 different versions of it (including the real one) were available and several virus lurked pretending to be the book.

Do you know which networks are mostly used for this ?
 
Leto said:
JP, thanks a lot ! I've tried with HP6 and on Sunday, at least 5 different versions of it (including the real one) were available and several virus lurked pretending to be the book.

I suppose I should not be surprised by this, as there will always be those looking to exploit an opportunity either to make a buck or two, or to make mischief. I doubt that anyone will have taken the time and effort to make my books available on the web, as it is hardly likely to damage my sales, or draw a lot of attention. In the event that I were to be the target of such exploitation, then sure I would be angry about it. Very angry. The question is, what can be done about it?

Thinking about it, however, I'm a complete technophobe, so I know very little about the internet and what is possible. The limit of my abilities stop right here at the moment - it's a miracle that I ever found this place, so how would I ever become aware that my work had been abused in this way? Also, aside from the possibility of someone downloading my work to read on screen, what further damage could they do?
 
Well, they could print in series the PDF format, and resale it cheaper than your books or even selling it as an ebook. But the main damage would be as for the music industry : many readers would get the book for free and you wouldn't get paid for your work. Some could see as an incentive to test new writers before buying their books, some would just get as many books as they can for free.
However the main restriction to it, is that it's quite tiring to read long text on a computer or PDA screen. But as more and more people become accustomed to screen reading, you can imagine it'll be less and less tiring for them. And the old nightmare of the end of books could come soon.
 
The way I see it, there are people who are born freeloaders - piracy or not, they'll never buy your stuff. Then there are people who will buy your stuff - if they can. We've all taped stuff off the radio or friend's records back in high school/college, and I think many of us wind up buying CDs of a lot of that material later in life. In fact, I discovered many of the bands I now posess several OCDs by purely because piracy allowed me to listen to them and realise I liked the sound. And the same thing can apply to books, I think.

However, I'm talking about piracy in the form of p2p, and its more primitive precursors (tape trading, photostats). Organised piracy, where someone is making a wrongful profit is a different matter, but it doesn't make sense to classify it along with the p2p phenomenon.
 
Stealing is stealing, no matter which way you look at it. Go back to the old ways, I say. If they get caught stealing - chop their hands off. They won't be so quick to do it again. (That's a joke - in case anyone takes it seriously.)

I've no idea how easy/difficult it would be to track the perpetrators of this sort of theft, so I don't know what could be done. However, I would hope that those caught would be dealt with severely.
 
Leto said:
Well, they could print in series the PDF format, and resale it cheaper than your books or even selling it as an ebook.

They could, but anyone dumb enough to have a point of sale is going to be pretty easy to track down and shut down.

Leto said:
But the main damage would be as for the music industry

The music industry is a bunch of whining tossers. They claim all their losses are entirely due to pirated and P2P distribution, which they use as a justification for targeting pensioners, children, and even dead people, with court actions and sizable fines.

However, what the IFPI, RIAA, MPI, etc, all completely fail to do is address the changing markets and overall changes to the sales environment over the last few years.

Firstly, these organisations (representing the music industry internationally, the USA, and UK, etc) never attribute any loss of revenue to rival product formats, not least DVD sales, despite the explosive growth of the DVD market - and also the fact that a lot of DVD releases are targeting the same marketing group with the same limited budget, pressured to buy more from a wider range of products.

So if a teens are more likely to buy a DVD instead of a CD, the RIAA marks the loss of sale as due to piracy.

Also, it's worth pointing out that the music publishing companies have always left their entire sales direction as coming via third party vendors, and have generally shirked from providing music direct from their libraries, despite the increased mark-up on direct sales they could benefit from.

Another important fact to note is that music companies are actually selling more.

So the point there is that music companies have been suffering a complete lack of vision as to how to apply sales and proper profit models to new marketplaces and technology, and then whine about how they're losing money.

This is precisely what is also slowly killing publishing companies - the commercial internet is now over a decade old, but book publishing companies are still often shy of delivering their products direct in a new global marketplace.

The problem is this instance is that traditional companies are refusing to adapt to new methods and technology, and online giants such as Amazon, which now effectively control the sale of books online, are demanding lower cost of goods from publishers, thus squeezing on publisher profits - but because the publishers have repeatedly failed to engage the markets directly, they are crippling their own profit models.

It's also worth pointing out that propagandist accounts, such as small artists and independents as gaining from action against P2P is BS - these people are not primary targets of P2P. Inf act, some at least have the intelligence to recognise that P2P offers a good opportuntity for brand marketing and increased consumer awareness of an individual product.

Leto said:
many readers would get the book for free and you wouldn't get paid for your work. Some could see as an incentive to test new writers before buying their books, some would just get as many books as they can for free.

Absolutely - like as kids we may have recorded onto tape a band we weren't sure of, but bought later; or else borrowed a book from a friend, only to later buy the series. To some companies, it's loss of sale. To others, it's brand marketing and increasing consumer awareness.

Leto said:
However the main restriction to it, is that it's quite tiring to read long text on a computer or PDA screen.

Absolutely right - this is what will always restrict book distributions online, and although the work can be printed off, it means using a lot of paper. A lot of people can't be bothered with either, which is why eBooks have never become the success they were trumpeted up to become.

As a marketing tip, sample chapters online (in a printer friendly format) should be able to help - but where it is offered, worth encouraging free distribution. It's only a fragment, but can potentially work wonders for marketing.

Leto said:
But as more and more people become accustomed to screen reading, you can imagine it'll be less and less tiring for them. And the old nightmare of the end of books could come soon.

As above, any such "end of books" comes from the publishing industry's insipid rejection of new technologies, and a general failure of direct sales marketing due to enslavement of themselves to traditional sales model mindsets based on third-party distributors as the gateway to sales and profits. As the sales models changes, so do expectations of profits need to change.

Anyway, for more information on P2P, it's worth looking at somewhere like CNet for the tech stories on the issue - been quite a lot on P2P legal cases of late:
http://news.search.com/search?q=P2P&search.x=14&search.y=7

Oh - and sorry for the rant. :)

I used to distribute my own music compositions on mp3.com - a great place for independent musicians to earn a small income and distribute their music a few years back.

The RIAA was able to destroy the place on a technicality, and with it, the aspirations of a generation of small musicians.

My music was even distributed on Kazaa. I thought it was cool that someone thought it worth fileswapping with. Brand marketing and consumer awareness is something small artists in any medium are always in desperately short supply of.
 
We seem to share a fairly similar outlook on this issue Brian. You should take a look at the Scalzi essay I linked to. I can't believe the RIAA actually tried suing a dead woman! :p
 

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