ArstenWhitebeard
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It has been well established by now that Jon has some “mystical” powers. He has clearly been able to see through Ghost’s eyes, even if it is not full on warging ability (yet) like we’ve seen with Bran, though it is pretty widely assumed that Jon will get there (if he isn’t dead, but we all know he isn’t)\
I would like to put forth the idea that Jon also has a talent for “Green Dreams” or prophecy though, like his warging ability, is nowhere close to being developed or even realised.
Now, for my proof. The first thing that caught my attention was in Brans Chapter when they find the wolves. When they are about to ride away after picking up the first 5 pups, Jon hears something (I might add that nobody else hears it) and goes back and, of course, finds the 6th pup, which is his albino wolf. That is when we see this line
“Bran thought it curious that this pup alone would have opened his eyes while the others were still blind”
Next, In Jon’s first chapter in which we see the Feast, Jon is talking with Uncle Benjen about how Ned, despite smiling, is troubled and that the Queen is angry. It is stated that, as a ******* he needed to learn to see things others miss as well, Uncle Benjen remarks that Jon doesn’t miss much. I know this isn’t much but... Foreshadowing?
Then, in Jon’s next chapter we get these quotes
“as he watched his uncle lead his horse into the tunnel, Jon had remembered the things that Tyrion Lannister had told him on the Kingsroad, and in his minds eye he saw Ben Stark lying dead, his blood red on the snow. The thought made him sick”
Jon foresaw Ben’s death but thought he just imagined it because he was angry, not knowing or realizing that he was correct.
Donal Note says “You know we have men on the wall whose mothers were whores”
“Not my Mother, Jon thought stubbornly. He knew nothing of his mother; Eddard Stark would not talk of her. Yet he dreamed of her at times, so often that he could almost see her face. In his dreams, she was beautiful, and highborn and her eyes were kind”
Now, granted he might just see her this way because that’s what he wants to believe, but I think the juxtaposition of him saying he knows nothing about her and that he knows she isn’t a whore in the same sentence seems suspect. I also suspect that the face he is envisioning IS his mother but because he doesn’t know who’s face it is, he can’t say for certain if its a real person. I also think this lends credence to the idea that Jon’s mother was NOT wylla. And before people jump to conclusions, this doesn’t rule our Lyanna as his mother since she died when he was born and wouldn’t know what she looks like. The statue in the crypt wouldn;t be a good reference wither since the statue may not be a great likeness of her. Ned comments that the sculptor that carved his father knew him well and later, when Robert sees lyanna’s statue he says “she was more beautiful than that” so her stone likeness may not be very accurate.
“[Jon] could feel the great weight of all that Ice pressing down on him, as if it were about to topple, and somehow Jon knew that if [the wall] fell, the world fell with it.”
Jon foreseeing that he would end up as Lord Commander, with the weight of the world and the wall on his shoulders? Also, despite the lack of evidence of “Snarks and Grumkins” Jon “somehow knew” that if the wall fell, the world fell with it... Hmmm....
And finally, for my Piece de Resistance. We all tend to agree that the Dreams that, say, Bran has, have some prophetic nature, especially his Coma dream. Below is a dream that Jon frequently has.
“Sometimes I dream about [winterfel]” he said “I’m walking down this long empty hall. My voice echoes all around me but no one answers, so I walk faster, opening doors, shouting names. I don’t even know who I’m looking for. Most nights it’s my father, but sometimes it’s Robb instead, or my little sister Arya, or my uncle”...
“Do you ever find anyone in your dream?” Sam asked.
Jon shook his head. “No one. The castle is always empty”...”Even the ravens are gone from the rookery and the stables are full of bones. That always scares me. I start to Run then, throwing open doors, climbing the tower three steps at a time, screaming for someone, anyone. And then I find myself in front of the door to the crypts. Its black inside and I can see the steps spiraling down. Somehow I know I have to go down there, but I don’t want to. I’m afraid of what might be waiting for me. The Old Kings of Winter are down there, sitting on their thrones with stone wolves at their feet and Iron swords across their laps, but it’s not them I’m afraid of. I scream that I’m not a stark, that this isn’t my place, but it’s no good, I have to go anyway, so I start down, feeling the walls as I descend, with no torch to light the way. It gets darker and darker until I want to scream”...”that’s when I always wake up.”
Jon Foresaw the ruin of Winterfel. The bones in the Stables seem important. I seem to recall something happening in/to the stables in aDwD. Also, I think this spells bad news for Arya. If you think of the other people he is sometimes looking for, Ned, Robb, Ben... They all came to untimely ends. It could just be that the people in his dreams are the people he was closest with in Winterfel, but then, why is Ben there? I’m sure Ben visited as often as possible, but he didn’t live there while Jon did. Ben was first ranger, his duties would keep him at the wall, and beyond it. Also, it is significant that his searches bring him to the Crypt, which would also seem like a bad omen, especially since he knows he has to go down there. He is also afraid of something waiting for him down there. It could be that he is afraid of his own spot in the crypt, or finding Ned or Ben or Robb or Arya down there, or of something else entirely.
I would like to put forth the idea that Jon also has a talent for “Green Dreams” or prophecy though, like his warging ability, is nowhere close to being developed or even realised.
Now, for my proof. The first thing that caught my attention was in Brans Chapter when they find the wolves. When they are about to ride away after picking up the first 5 pups, Jon hears something (I might add that nobody else hears it) and goes back and, of course, finds the 6th pup, which is his albino wolf. That is when we see this line
“Bran thought it curious that this pup alone would have opened his eyes while the others were still blind”
Next, In Jon’s first chapter in which we see the Feast, Jon is talking with Uncle Benjen about how Ned, despite smiling, is troubled and that the Queen is angry. It is stated that, as a ******* he needed to learn to see things others miss as well, Uncle Benjen remarks that Jon doesn’t miss much. I know this isn’t much but... Foreshadowing?
Then, in Jon’s next chapter we get these quotes
“as he watched his uncle lead his horse into the tunnel, Jon had remembered the things that Tyrion Lannister had told him on the Kingsroad, and in his minds eye he saw Ben Stark lying dead, his blood red on the snow. The thought made him sick”
Jon foresaw Ben’s death but thought he just imagined it because he was angry, not knowing or realizing that he was correct.
Donal Note says “You know we have men on the wall whose mothers were whores”
“Not my Mother, Jon thought stubbornly. He knew nothing of his mother; Eddard Stark would not talk of her. Yet he dreamed of her at times, so often that he could almost see her face. In his dreams, she was beautiful, and highborn and her eyes were kind”
Now, granted he might just see her this way because that’s what he wants to believe, but I think the juxtaposition of him saying he knows nothing about her and that he knows she isn’t a whore in the same sentence seems suspect. I also suspect that the face he is envisioning IS his mother but because he doesn’t know who’s face it is, he can’t say for certain if its a real person. I also think this lends credence to the idea that Jon’s mother was NOT wylla. And before people jump to conclusions, this doesn’t rule our Lyanna as his mother since she died when he was born and wouldn’t know what she looks like. The statue in the crypt wouldn;t be a good reference wither since the statue may not be a great likeness of her. Ned comments that the sculptor that carved his father knew him well and later, when Robert sees lyanna’s statue he says “she was more beautiful than that” so her stone likeness may not be very accurate.
“[Jon] could feel the great weight of all that Ice pressing down on him, as if it were about to topple, and somehow Jon knew that if [the wall] fell, the world fell with it.”
Jon foreseeing that he would end up as Lord Commander, with the weight of the world and the wall on his shoulders? Also, despite the lack of evidence of “Snarks and Grumkins” Jon “somehow knew” that if the wall fell, the world fell with it... Hmmm....
And finally, for my Piece de Resistance. We all tend to agree that the Dreams that, say, Bran has, have some prophetic nature, especially his Coma dream. Below is a dream that Jon frequently has.
“Sometimes I dream about [winterfel]” he said “I’m walking down this long empty hall. My voice echoes all around me but no one answers, so I walk faster, opening doors, shouting names. I don’t even know who I’m looking for. Most nights it’s my father, but sometimes it’s Robb instead, or my little sister Arya, or my uncle”...
“Do you ever find anyone in your dream?” Sam asked.
Jon shook his head. “No one. The castle is always empty”...”Even the ravens are gone from the rookery and the stables are full of bones. That always scares me. I start to Run then, throwing open doors, climbing the tower three steps at a time, screaming for someone, anyone. And then I find myself in front of the door to the crypts. Its black inside and I can see the steps spiraling down. Somehow I know I have to go down there, but I don’t want to. I’m afraid of what might be waiting for me. The Old Kings of Winter are down there, sitting on their thrones with stone wolves at their feet and Iron swords across their laps, but it’s not them I’m afraid of. I scream that I’m not a stark, that this isn’t my place, but it’s no good, I have to go anyway, so I start down, feeling the walls as I descend, with no torch to light the way. It gets darker and darker until I want to scream”...”that’s when I always wake up.”
Jon Foresaw the ruin of Winterfel. The bones in the Stables seem important. I seem to recall something happening in/to the stables in aDwD. Also, I think this spells bad news for Arya. If you think of the other people he is sometimes looking for, Ned, Robb, Ben... They all came to untimely ends. It could just be that the people in his dreams are the people he was closest with in Winterfel, but then, why is Ben there? I’m sure Ben visited as often as possible, but he didn’t live there while Jon did. Ben was first ranger, his duties would keep him at the wall, and beyond it. Also, it is significant that his searches bring him to the Crypt, which would also seem like a bad omen, especially since he knows he has to go down there. He is also afraid of something waiting for him down there. It could be that he is afraid of his own spot in the crypt, or finding Ned or Ben or Robb or Arya down there, or of something else entirely.
Some what of a "thinking outside of the box" , way to put it. I mean, after all she is the mother of dragons 
