32.06: The Almost People

After re-watching the episode last night i'm wondering why the Dr dissolved Amy, it was said in Dr Who confidential that it was just like disconnecting a phone line, that AMy hasn't been harmed, but the lfesh copy was linked to her by somekind of telecoms (a bad analogy) link, and that all the doctor did was sever the link.
Now call me stupid but if you wanted to trace someone then using the telecoms link would be the best way to do it, so why sever the link if it would (surely) have made finding the real Amy easier. Flamy was linked (somehow) to the real Amy and so surely that link could have been followed.

Saying all this, I bet next weeks episode strats with the Dr pushing some tardis buttons and saying, 'ok we took a reading from Flamy before the link was severed and we can now trace that back to where the real Amy is being kept' only for Rory to say 'I don't understand' or 'In plain English please' :)
 
PTeppic said:
It was a way of showing that the Flesh 'gangers could suffer from the physical symptoms of their human originals and/or flash-through memories to new symptoms since the copying. The whole premise of Eye-Patch Lady, even all the way back to telling the Doctor she was pregnant (probably), is to show that "Flamy" was having flash-through memories. The same with the blood-clot for Cleaves: it wasn't the Flesh version who had the clot (and thus the headaches) but she was getting flash-throughs because her original human version did. [I think there's probably a continuity thing here: Ganger-Cleaves would have had a copy of the clot, as she was presumably a new-enough copy; if a 'ganger could suffer human illness, that is.]
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Thanks.

I'd been assuming the 'ganger was identical to the original (and that the clot had been copied in the same way as the clothes and screwdriver were). I'm still assuming this, actually.
 
Wasn't too fussed with this episode:

1. Too much running around without acheiving anything
2. Why isn't the Doctor concerned about another version of him being recreated by an angry vengful Flesh?
3. After spending 2 hours arguing that the Flesh should be treated as people, why decide to deconstruct Amy's ganger at the end? And if it was just like cutting a phone line, as mentioned above, why was this such a unique and rudmentary ganger by comparison to the other versions we saw, if it can collapse just because of losing a telepathic connection? If there's a distinction, would have been nice to have some basic explanation! Otherwise made the Doctor look hypocritical if arguing other people should respect the Flesh, only to destroy one himself!

Aside from that an okay episode - not too phased by Rory and Amy's "peril" because so far they appear good at dying but bad at staying dead! (Well, Rory, anyway). So it doesn't feel like peril ...
 
On dissolving Flamy, I think it makes sense. The gangers had become independent creatures, not remote control. Furthermore, the Flesh was a basic version of the technology used for Amy's (that's my reading, anyway) so perhaps it isn't sentient. Lastly, if he's traced the signal, you only need to do it once and it's possible Flamy was acting as an unwitting spy for whoever creepy eye-patch lady works.
 
To be fair, that wall of eyes was quite creepy. (I think that would have been a dash-behind-the-sofa moment for the me who watched the first Doctor back in the 60s.)
 
Looks like my Sontaran theory went out of the window. It only worked if they kept in the acid suits and became even more homicidal. They went the other way, so seems to be game over on that one.

Spoiler:
However, the Sontarans are back next week, according to the Dr. Who website. Spoiler bandits! Since the Cybermen and Silurians are also back, I think we're heading towards the situation from the end of the last season. Bobby Ewing anyone? Hopefully it's more by way of alternate view of the timeline, so flash-sideways kind of thing, which SM can be good at.
End spoiler.
 
i think i already mentioned the incidental subject of Pteppic's spoilered post in another post a couple of weeks ago. can't be egged to find it though.... hmmm. is this genius, or is SM making it up as he goes along? i can't quite decide. really want to know exactly how long Amy has been Flesh though.
 
I said:
1. Too much running around without achieving anything
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That about describes most Matt Smith episodes, compared to earlier Doctors this one is Manic he needs to calm down a little. As for the Flesh being the basic model and the Doctor obviously being familiar with a more advanced version, it reminded me of the Nestene, except they controlled plastic not artificial flesh.
 
Surely too much running is a New Who feature? I agree it should be reduced.
 
This is probably a really random observation, but at the end of last series did Rory take on Amy's last name? Because I thought he was still Williams, but there was a strange moment where the Doctor screamed "Rory Pond! Roranicus Pondicus!" (Or something to that extent) which made me a little confused.
Also, (I may be reading too far into this, but) I reckon we're going to see Roman Rory again, judging by the "Roranicus" nickname.
 
hanzy-popz said:
This is probably a really random observation, but at the end of last series did Rory take on Amy's last name? Because I thought he was still Williams, but there was a strange moment where the Doctor screamed "Rory Pond! Roranicus Pondicus!" (Or something to that extent) which made me a little confused.
Also, (I may be reading too far into this, but) I reckon we're going to see Roman Rory again, judging by the "Roranicus" nickname.
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Excellent observation! In the trailer for next week (only online at the moment) Rory is indeed back in his Roman uniform!!
 
hanzy-popz said:
This is probably a really random observation, but at the end of last series did Rory take on Amy's last name? Because I thought he was still Williams, but there was a strange moment where the Doctor screamed "Rory Pond! Roranicus Pondicus!" (Or something to that extent) which made me a little confused.
Also, (I may be reading too far into this, but) I reckon we're going to see Roman Rory again, judging by the "Roranicus" nickname.
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I think it was in Confidential after, or maybe elsewhere, I can't even remember now, but I definitely recall Rory being called Rory Pond by the Doctor (or Matt Smith) which I loved and remarked on to a friend.
 
HoopyFrood said:
I think it was in Confidential after, or maybe elsewhere, I can't even remember now, but I definitely recall Rory being called Rory Pond by the Doctor (or Matt Smith) which I loved and remarked on to a friend.
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Yes!! I watched Confidential this morning and Matt did indeed refer to Rory as "Rory Pond".
Guess it's obvious who wears the trousers in that marriage. :p
Very, very excited to see what happens next with Amy, and find out where she is. I don't know about anyone else, but if I were a kid, I'd be more terrified of a birth scene than doppelgangers made of The Flesh. :eek:
 
hanzy-popz said:
Yes!! I watched Confidential this morning and Matt did indeed refer to Rory as "Rory Pond".
Guess it's obvious who wears the trousers in that marriage. :p
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Was it ever in doubt? :p

Very, very excited to see what happens next with Amy, and find out where she is. I don't know about anyone else, but if I were a kid, I'd be more terrified of a birth scene than doppelgangers made of The Flesh. :eek:
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Just found this board and actually reg'd to reply that I heard that exact comment from a friend of mine about their kid earlier today!
 
Yes, it was at the wedding. The Doctor said something about the new Mr. and Mrs. Pond, Rory started to say that it was usually the wife who took the husband's name, and then sort of sighed and went along with it.

Probably because Moffat didn't want the Doctor to start calling Amy "Williams" instead of "Pond."

Since we're a week behind here (thanks to Memorial Day weekend) and I've just seen "The Almost People" I'm ... bewildered, to say the least.

For instance, after working to save the other 'Gangers, why did the Doctor disintegrate the Amy one?
 
Teresa Edgerton said:
Yes, it was at the wedding. The Doctor said something about the new Mr. and Mrs. Pond, Rory started to say that it was usually the wife who took the husband's name, and then sort of sighed and went along with it.
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He does say it once, briefly, in this episode too. As they're escaping from the Gangers into (I think) the Evac room.

Teresa Edgerton said:
For instance, after working to save the other 'Gangers, why did the Doctor disintegrate the Amy one?
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Because they were "first generation" of the technology, who'd been zapped to form "sacred" new (or even, new life form). Amy's ganger was the remote control kind, not sentient, and it was a sign that he was now going to come and do something about the fact he'd worked it out.
 
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