Mistake in the first movie?

[Treikayan]

Ahh, but in D&D 'rules', could Gandalf not be a warrior-wizard? Not that I have played D&D board games, but what rule says that once a character masters one skill, they cannot master another? Especially given the time and powers of an immortal in the semblance of a man (as opposed to an elf).

I suppose only if he were a multi-class (and specifics by the DM), but then again, if he were strictly a wizard, he would not be able to wield a sword. And, yes, Gandalf assuming most of Beregond's roles in Return of the King, would make him warrior/wizard status. Oh, D&D is not a board game per se ( ). It's a product of your own imagination. ::echoes old 80s ad from TV::

 

[Psychogirl]

I always thought that it was just that no-one ever explained it in the movie (They might have, but I can't remember that far back) and PJ might have thought that it was "unnessary information" so didn't put it in

 

[steve12553]

I remember the book referring to "Sting" glowing but Gandolf's sword was not specifically mentioned in the Trilogy as glowing. Glamdrang's glow would have required someone adding that from the Hobbit which the continuity people may not have even read.

 

[Rujokiwa]

Well me, I didn't enjoy the LOTR movies at all - I almost walked out in it, I was so disappointed with it.

 

[dragula_66]

in the movies, frodos sword is explained to the audience as having the power to detect the presence of orcs. gandalfs, however is not. only people that have read the books would know this. so it could have been left out simply because it is unnessary to the storyline, whereas frodos sword glowing is important.

 

[Pointfinder]

Wow, never noticed that, thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Delvo]

The books don't say all Elvish weapons are supposed to glow like that. Only one or two of them in the world are said to do so. Frodo carries it (or one of the two), and none of the other main characters do. The movies have this correct.

 

[Cloud]

I never noticed that. I just think Sting, and to a lesser extent, Narsil/Anduril, have more of a central role than Glamdring does.

I like to look at movie mistakes, too. IMDB has a list, as does Movie mistakes - goofs, bloopers, pictures, quotes and trivia from thousands of movies

 

[devilsgrin]

The books don't say all Elvish weapons are supposed to glow like that. Only one or two of them in the world are said to do so. Frodo carries it (or one of the two), and none of the other main characters do. The movies have this correct.

But no-one is actually saying that all elvish weapons glow. No-one has mentioned that the white knives of legolas glow - because they don't. However it is clearly mentioned in The Hobbit when the three weapons are discovered - Orcrist for Thorin, Glamdring for Gandalf and Sting for Bilbo. All are weapons that glow in the presence of orcs. That they are elven weapons does not necessarily imply they glow... it is that Tolkein stated that they glow that is relevent.
I do also believe that during the Moria chapters it mentions something about Sting and Glamdring both glowing before they are attacked in the tomb. Also during Gandalf's battle with the Balrog.

 

[areader]

It should have glowed white or appeared white in the presence of enemies, which the first age swords did...er blue for Glamdring if an orc/goblin king was around according to the Hobbit.

And so should have Thorin's sword Orcrist: white reportedly (first age swords did a lot of glowing, but you had to have one...and there weren't that many lying around of the high elf swords). Narsil gleamed with the light of the sun and the moon.

Why was Bilbo's sword different/well it was a knife for starters...it glowed white, but the edges glowed blue. Don't think it says anywhere that all the swords did that. And it definitely doesn't say Glamdring sword shone blue in Tolkien's book for that scene. The other famous knife of that age was Beren's knife that cut iron and the simarillion stone (Dwarf-made), but it broke. Possibly the knives were dwarf made as Bilbo got it from Thorin and were different altogether. Its probably not so much an error as a common belief about them.

 

[ilweran]

Possibly the knives were dwarf made as Bilbo got it from Thorin and were different altogether. Its probably not so much an error as a common belief about them.

The two swords, Orcrist and Glamdring, and Sting were from the Trolls cave in the Hobbit and were made in Gondolin in the First Age. They were definitely made by elves.

Berens knife broke because he tried to get a second Silmaril and it wasn't his fate to get more than one of them.

 

[Carpe Diem]

Well i think that the reason only Sting glowed was the fact that they tryed to make it unique! Frodo had to have SOMETHING special about him, after all he was the guy who was to carry the ring, so he had the mithril shirt thing and Sting; the only sword that glowed.

 

[Sirathiel]

You people make me want to re-read... But that will have to wait till I get home.

I have to agree with Carpe Diem though. They word it nicely.

On the other hand, Gandalf is - to me - almost as important as Frodo. Where would they all be without him? And he is - by definition even - something rare and special. Well,... I'll be back with some quotes tonight.
~Sira.

PS: Wee... one of the threads I posted in back when!

 

[paranoid marvin]

In my opinion Gollum is the most important and influential character - I think JRR had plans for hm right from the start , as , with hindsight , it seems odd that such a strong and unusual character should play such a seemingly minor role in The Hobbit

 

[Gothic_Angelica]

I didn't think about it/didn't notice it.

 

[Sirathiel]

Well, I can't give you the actual quotes since I'm at work. But I am currently re-reading the books and can herewith confirm that it is mentioned in the chapter "A Journey in the dark" (or the one right after... not sure how far I got last night) that Gandalf's blade is Glamdring and that Glamdring, Orcrist and Sting all glow in a cold light in the presence of orcs.

Why they left it out of the film... no idea.

 

[Pyan]

In my opinion Gollum is the most important and influential character - I think JRR had plans for hm right from the start , as , with hindsight , it seems odd that such a strong and unusual character should play such a seemingly minor role in The Hobbit

It's because LOTR was written, in the main, after The Hobbit was published and widely read - and it would have been extremely difficult to boost Gollum's part in that book to match up to his importance in LOTR.

JRRT did do a major revision in the original story of The Hobbit to alter the story of how Bilbo got the Ring in the first place - for the second edition, he re-wrote Gollum to take out the idea that he would ever have offered to give Bilbo the Ring. This jibed with the hold that the Ring had on Gollum, so it was altered to emphasise the sheer power and importance of it which would be brought out in LOTR.

 

[this charmingm manc]

I think the point made is a load of cack, the blade sting is the onlt one that mentioned as glowing in the presence of orcs in either the hobbit or LOTR.

The poster is in error not the books