The Horror Film Watch

Again, I have to ask: which version did you see? From the title, most likely the original (American) theatrical release, which is (in my view) simply bad. (Though there were about four or five films in that series, including a couple which used tiny bits of footage from Fulci and were completed by others.)

My mistake, J.D. I checked my "grue view" stash in the garage (my wife hates that stuff) and found it wasn't Zombie 2 I couldn't finish, but Zombie 3 which came in a 3-pack along with Zombie's 4 & 5. I really liked the first Zombie by Fulci but am not sure whether I've ever seen #2.
 
Well, according to Amazon.com Zombie 2 and Zombie are the same film. There is no Zombie 1. Releasing it as Flesh-Eaters, Zombie 2 was a business decision to capitalize on Romero's Dawn Of The Dead. Interesting. Rue Morgue ran a special Fulci issue a few years back and if this was mentioned I have since forgotten it. Anyway, so there's no confusion, Zombie --- or Zombie 2 --- was a great film. But it's not for everyone.
 
Question: Which version of this did you see? The original American theatrical release, or the restored version? There is a surprising amount of difference,(I still think his The Beyond and House of Clocks are better films, though....)

In 1979 I saw the American version while working at a movie theater, it was easy to follow the story. Basically a daughter searches for her father and discovers her dad was working to stop a "zombie" outbreak on an island. Unfortunately the rising dead get out of hand and she escapes back to New York only to discover that the city is overrun with the flesh eating cadavers.

However, I have heard of other versions of the movie where all of the horror was edited because the film was too shocking, which of course leaves the movie with nothing to see. This film was also banned in some parts of the world too.

But over here in America, I can still remember the screaming audience and patrons squirming in their seats when the zombies were eating and killing people. Today I own the special 2-disk edition.

And The Beyond (1981) is an awesome movie because of a bigger budget which was generated by the money that was made by Zombie 2.

My mistake, J.D. I checked my "grue view" stash in the garage (my wife hates that stuff) and found it wasn't Zombie 2 I couldn't finish, but Zombie 3 which came in a 3-pack along with Zombie's 4 & 5. I really liked the first Zombie by Fulci but am not sure whether I've ever seen #2.

Originally the film was called Zombie, but since Lucio was inspired by Romero's Dawn of the Dead (even though it was a sequel to Night of the Living Dead, which technically would had made Lucio's film Zombie 3. But that's another film.), he wanted to make a follow up film to it, so he retitled it Zombie 2. However the film told it's own story about how the nightmare began. I think Mr Fulci should have left the title as Zombie.
 
From my understanding, it got the Zombie 2 title because Romero's Dawn of the Dead was released in Italy as Zombie; and, as this was intended as, if not a direct sequel, at least a film in the same set-up...

SB: It may be there was more than one American theatrical release. I've seen an earlier version, which was released on videotape (before the advent of DVD), and it wasn't the gore which was cut... it was the bulk of the storyline and character-development. Hence, it became little more than a series of gore scenes with a little nudity thrown in for good measure. Once the other material is replaced, while it is still over-the-top in the gore department for my taste (as is The Beyond, for that matter), it is nonetheless a rather good film, and one of the few of that extreme sort of cinema which I like having on my shelves...
 
From my understanding, it got the Zombie 2 title because Romero's Dawn of the Dead was released in Italy as Zombie; and, as this was intended as, if not a direct sequel, at least a film in the same set-up...

SB: It may be there was more than one American theatrical release. I've seen an earlier version, which was released on videotape (before the advent of DVD), and it wasn't the gore which was cut... it was the bulk of the storyline and character-development. Hence, it became little more than a series of gore scenes with a little nudity thrown in for good measure. Once the other material is replaced, while it is still over-the-top in the gore department for my taste (as is The Beyond, for that matter), it is nonetheless a rather good film, and one of the few of that extreme sort of cinema which I like having on my shelves...

You are right Mr Worthington about the Dawn of the Dead retitled as Zombie, I had forgotten, and I even have the Italian version with the title Zombi. :D

Anyway, when I first discovered The Beyond, it was on VHS and retitled as The Seven Doors of Death.

I still need to see House of Clocks :)
 
It happened a lot with Fulci and Argento. The original release here of Phenomena (as Creepers) was simply horrific (no pun intended); and lacked all the subtleties of the full film while retaining all its vices. Suspiria didn't suffer as badly, but was still not, as I recall, as coherent as it might have been, and so forth. I've still to see a restored version of Profondo rosso, so don't know about that, but suspect the same would apply there.

Luci suffered even more from this, given that his violence and gore were even more extreme. Oddly, though, it was often as much -- or more -- the scenes which contributed to the actual plot or character development which ended up being excised as was the gore. Paura nella città dei morti viventi (City of the Living Dead) is a seriously flawed film from the get-go, but at least it is somewhat better in the restored version, while Quella villa accanto al cimitero (The House by the Cemetery) is at times almost unwatchable as a story (though if you're into it for the gore, as with pornography being into it simply for the sex scenes), then perhaps all the better; yet it, too, makes more sense and develops an atmosphere of creeping menace when seen in its restored version. In each case, the gore generally becomes at least more logical -- in a weird, horrific fashion -- with the restorations, rather than simply having no more point than to titillate.

And, of course, several of Fulci's films develop his theme of the Gates of Hell and their opening into our world, often having a tinge of Lovecraftian angst or the exoticism of Clark Ashton Smith, to whom he gives nods in some of them. I think that is what drew me to Fulci, really; the development of this theme seems to hint at more than what we see on the surface.

Incidentally, I recently came across an interview with Fulci which allows some interesting insights into these films, with especial reference to House by the Cemetery and its ending:

http://www.shockingimages.com/fulci/interview2.html
 
j. d.
Just to clarify - Zombie and Zombie 2 are the same film, and Zombie Flesh Eaters is a separate film. Is that right?

Nope. All three are (ostensibly) the same film, just edited differently and issued under different titles.

This happened a lot during that period... along with a few others, such as the 1950s... with horror films. The one which I think has had the most title changes (and in this case, I wouldn't recommend seeing it under any title, unless you come across a review which indicates massive changes due to restoration), is:

Anthropophagus/The Grim Reaper/Snuff -- with a few other titles I've heard it had over the years....
 
Anthropophagus/The Grim Reaper/Snuff -- with a few other titles I've heard it had over the years....

Yeah this is a classic, and definitely one of the best from Joe D'Amato. Who was a hack director, but still had fun with what he did.
 
Alright, cheers for the info. I remember watching Zombie Flesh Eaters the day that the London Bombings happened. I'd had far too much to drink and thought zombies may cheer me up. They didn't. And I remember thinking is it the alcohol in my system, or do they occasionally switch languages and actors in this film?
 

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