Doctor Who (37) 11:09 It Takes You Away.

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I don't care what others say, I loved this episode.

The caves with the Gollum like creature, the fleshing eating flies that reminded me of evil fairies, a mirror portal to a parallel universe, it had an amazing fantasy feel to it.

I really felt for Graham having to give up Grace again. Ryan was better this week, liked the interaction with Hannah.

Best one so far.
 

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A frog.

I could leave it at that really, but...

We had no explanation why they were in Norway - not essential but nice to have (to give some underlying sense to the story).

Some silly reference to a man-sheep conflict.

It was the middle of winter but no smoke from the chimney (i.e. no fire). Fine, but, the middle of winter in Norway with no snow...

Ryan was inside a barricaded house trying to protect a girl from a monster and then decides to pop outside and see where a wire ended up???

The creature in the anti-zone put a knife to Graham and then they let him walk behind them.

The they're-not-really-who-you-think-they-are plot has been done before. And the old blind-girl-immediately-sees-through-it.

Why have we not heard about this other universe before if it's such an established concept - not essential I suppose as new ideas appear all the time in Doctor Who, but this one was a pretty big one.

The portal was well done and the concept of the path between the two universes, but see above.

"I love sonicing" - I'm getting pretty tired of it.

Not the worst episode but not great.

Finally...a frog?!
 

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Finally...a frog?!
I guess you would rather it was a princess?

There have been worse episodes. I do think that the story needed some work, and the jokes (like the sheep joke) weren't remotely funny. I was also waiting to find out why Norway was relevant, unlike Cardiff, which has an established space-time rift. I think they spent all the money on the special effects, but those, the fact that the used an actual blind actor, and that they brought back the character Grace, can't make up for a weak script.
 

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We had no explanation why they were in Norway
Perhaps the writer thought that the previous episodes where the TARDIS decided to go somewhere/sometime, based on something being amiss would have sunk in by now... particularly when, in this case, the thing that was amiss was an attempt to link our universe with something incompatible with our universe.
Why have we not heard about this other universe before if it's such an established concept
Established in the context of a Granny telling (bedtime?) stories to her grandchild on Gallifrey is not the same as an established concept in the rest of the universe (and elsewhere).
 

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I guess you would rather it was a princess?
:)
Well, maybe a wibbly-wobbly energy thing. Or the personification of someone out of Doctor Who's (perhaps unknown) past; that would have been interesting. But not a poorly animated frog.
 

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Erm....

The sheep wars.

Oft mentioned in previous regenerations of Who. Apparently it was absolute carnage like lambs to the slaughter. The Who's Who, What, Where of Earth history tells us it ranks well above the several invasions of the more peaceful species that have attempted to take over from man as the top dog on the planet. The Daleks' Solarians and the all the other's worst fear was that the sheep might join in on the side of the humans. The Cybermen actually turned back several invasion fleets just on the rumour that the sheep had resumed the manufacture of their favourite weapons - "Golden Fleeces". Yes we humans, even though we mercilessly quashed the sheep ourselves, have much to thank these apparently peace loving guardians.
 

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Found this picture entitled "Snowless Winter in Norway":

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Although I seem to see a bit on the ground there... perhaps this is as "snowless" as it gets?
 

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I was also waiting to find out why Norway was relevant, unlike Cardiff, which has an established space-time rift.
Maybe it was near Unclebuckstranden (?), Bad wolf bay, where Rose and the Meta-crisis Doctor live.

I enjoyed the episode, despite the logic problems of which people have already spoken.
I don't think DW is ever going to be (or ever was) HARD science fiction, so I've given up worrying about them.<
 

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This episode had a really strong start, an engaging middle but a very weak ending. I am also starting to tire of the antagonist turning out to be benign...
 

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This is probably going to be my last foray into the Doctor Who threads, as it seems so negative too much of the time.

But, I have to say, I really like Jodie Whittaker as Doctor Who. Some of the scripts could be tighter, but you could say that of any of the Doctor Who series. Whittaker brings her own style, and has made the character her own. At the same time, she has the quirkiness of Tennant, and perhaps Smith, with the odd tangential sentences.

The previous regeneration she reminds me of most, though, is the Doctor of my early childhood, Tom Baker, the Fourth Doctor. It's not just the long coat, and (recently announced) scarf, but also the puckish, yet deadpan, humour: I thought the Sheep Wars comment was brilliant -- imagine it being said with a straight face by Baker, and you can see what I think it was all along: a massive wind-up (along the lines of sheep all face the same way on a hill, because they have legs that are shorter on one side than the other*).

It's long been established, since the earliest days of Doctor Who that the TARDIS has some sort of mind of its own**, and goes places of its own accord. It is also notoriously hard to direct when it has one of these moments. That was one of the good things about DW -- that you, as the viewer, could travel with the Doctor, and none of you were entirely sure where the next destination might be. Except, that the TARDIS often sought out interesting times, per the supposed ancient curse.

I like Whittaker's use of the Sonic Screwdriver, which she mainly uses as a scanner and, although I'd like to see a few episodes with the return of scary monsters (and especially comfortable*** old adversaries, such as the Daleks), I think the this run has done pretty well. It's covered an intergalactic Predator creature, the monstrosity of man, toxic waste spiders (get bitten by one of them, Peter Parker...also, shudder), and an unknowable god-like being choosing to be seen as a frog because it's relatable to the minds of the Doctor and her companions, only to realise the danger of unintended consequences.

So, although I think this episode had a few plot holes, and was perhaps not as strong as some others, I liked it. And I am enjoying the whole run, so far. A lot. So, I'm sticking with this Doctor.
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*Not that I would ever have used that on the unsuspecting tourist, nor mentioned the annual Deeside wild haggis hunt held each New Years' Day. Never.

**It should also be remembered that the TARDIS is kind of broken, which is why it always looks like a police box. The camouflage system stopped working properly with the First Doctor, and the navigation system was iffy even with him. Then again, he did nick the TARDIS -- we've never fully established why, I don't think.

***I take a certain delight in imagining Davros' face at his creations being termed 'comfortable. :cool:
 

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For the Norway part maybe a throw away red herring? As soon as I heard the 'monster' I put Norway and monster = troll.
 

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This is probably going to be my last foray into the Doctor Who threads, as it seems so negative too much of the time.
I understand the sentiment, without a doubt -- but I'm not sure it's the best idea to let the negativity take over the threads. Somebody has to stick around for the positive side. I nominate you. (Ok, ok, I haven't done a good job of holding up the positive side, and I'll try to do better. She says, with one episode left.)
 

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This is probably going to be my last foray into the Doctor Who threads, as it seems so negative too much of the time.
I understand the sentiment, without a doubt -- but I'm not sure it's the best idea to let the negativity take over the threads. Somebody has to stick around for the positive side. I nominate you. (Ok, ok, I haven't done a good job of holding up the positive side, and I'll try to do better. She says, with one episode left.)
Absolutely.

It seems there are two types of people on these forums when it comes to the new series; those, such as you, who like it, and people like me who have been disappointed. We should be able to co-exist and on Chrons no-one descends to personal attacks (as far as I've seen) on people with opposing views. I'm not bothered in the least by posts that praise the new series - I don't agree with them, but they don't upset me. Your views, and the others that like the new series, are just as valid as mine and other like-minded so you shouldn't feel like not visiting or posting your comments*.


* even if they're wrong ;);)
 

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* even if they're wrong ;);)

No Wally, you can't eat him.

I really like Jodie as the doctor, she has taking the role and made it her own. Any issues I have are with the writers not the actors and I have enjoyed it.
The last three episodes have been fun, the show is what it's meant to be family entertainment.

It's not everyone's cup of tea but I like it.
 

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The last three episodes have been fun, the show is what it's meant to be family entertainment.
Absolutely! And it is doing an excellent job at being exactly what it is. Doctor Who was never ever 'Hard SF' and was probably at its worst when it tried to be. Those few episodes that tried are almost certainly the episodes that have dated the most. I can still criticise it though, especially when it is just too silly. I also like my humour, but it was never a comedy show either, and if that is what it is trying to be now then it isn't working. I've no problem with the actors they have chosen though, but with an ensemble cast they do need to given them something more to do rather than the usual running up and down corridors and through caves. None of that matters if the target audience still likes it, and that seems to still be the case.
 

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Errr...you're going to have to explain that one to me.
Wally is the large crocodile who follows me around. We feed him spammers, leather and apples. Sometimes he does like to bite people when I'm not watching. Most of the time he is well behaved but don't wear leather in cracked pot and if you find a boot lying around don't look to closely, it will probably still have a foot inside.
 

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