Kindle

Gads, this is almost turning into a political debate.

I grew up in a house with 5000 books in it, many of them science fiction. So you might expect me to be biased towards paper books, but I love books in any form. My most prized volumes are hardcovers. Some of them are leather-bound with gilded edges and all that fancy stuff — like an Astounding Stories 60th Anniversary collection from the Easton Press.

As a graphic artist I also have many years exposure to page layout (both "mechanical" and DTP), and fell in love with the PDF format when it first appeared. No ebook format is perfect, but the formats are evolving with the hardware. Will ebooks eventually replace paper books entirely? It depends on how long that "eventually" is, and I'd say "yes, eventually." I wouldn't expect it in our lifetimes, and the many existing paper books will still be around — loved and treasured by many.

Some have expressed concern about format obsolescence. A friend and I both worry about our current libraries — books printed on cheap paper literally disintegrating on the shelves. Yet records from the ancient world still exist on clay and papyrus. What will future historians know of the 20th century when all the new media started to appear? Granted, much of early radio and television has been lost, and computer media from the '60s and '70s is no longer readable — even if the drives still exist. Much of that information was transient anyway.

Computers were very isolated in the beginning, but they and their formats are much more robust and standardized now. Many ebook formats are really nothing more than Zip archives with a different extension tacked on (like EPUB or even CBZ). That means one can "unzip" the ebook and read the HTML inside. That's right, just like the Web, ebooks are nothing more than text documents and perhaps some photos/diagrams in widely recognized formats in a neat package. The information can still be extracted with common tools. But even then, "browsers" and converters for these simple packages will not suddenly disappear.

Some formats are very poorly "future-proofed." Italian artist Marco Patrito introduced a "multi-media novel" in 1995 titled Sinkha. At that time Web formats were very primitive, so Patrito turned to Macromedia Director to weave the text, pictures, music and video together. Unfortunately, Director creates "projectors" — an executable player and document all bound up into one package. OS and hardware changes outdated the work within a tiny handful of years. Patrito released an update, along with some sequels, but even those are sliding away. (He should have re-authored with HTML.) Anyway, Sinkha was experimental and not representative of most ebook formats.

Gutenberg is an aptly named ebooking project. Like Gutenberg's first printing press, the Gutenberg Project makes many books readily accessible to the general public. But suppose the servers crash?! Electronic media can be duplicated very easily (and searched and processed more quickly). Which means that even if Gutenberg's servers went down, individuals all over the world have much (most? all?) of the data duplicated somewhere. The only way the electronic libraries of the world could be irretrievably lost is by some world-wide catastrophe. And in such a case, we'd have other things to worry about.
 
I think you are spot on with your final comments, Lemmy. Whilst I might not personally agree that ebooks will not take over, in the end people buy the type of book they prefer; hardback, tradeback, paperback, audio, ebook. Anything else is only speculation on our part and is a story that history will evetually tell!

When you think about it, vinyl albums was replaced by CD's, and they were later replaced by digital music like MP3s, Spotify and so on. But even so, vinyl albums have returned to the stores and are still selling like crazy. Even music from the 70's are very popular today. Why then should books be outdated simply because we got e-books? What most people seem to forget is that e-books have been around for a long time already. As far as I know, the first e-books appeared back in 1971. That's fourty years ago, yet they still only have a small part of the marked. It's growing a bit now that we have Kindle and stuff like that, but still. E-books are here to stay, but so are paper books.
 
The main reason I bought a Kindle was to solve my issue of space. I have pretty big DVD collection, more than enough guitars, and a decent sized book collection. While I agree you can't beat the feel of a paper book in your hand, I think the convenience is the main selling point for me.
 
Question for U.K. forum members regarding Kindle: Amazon has AmazonUK, with Kindle prices (and others for that matter) in UK currency. What about books that are only listed on AmazonUS? Is there some type of currency conversion method?
 
I don't think so, Luc, other than the normal, but I also think you will likely find you can't buy them anyway. One of the real pains with ebooks is that they are mostly following the same territorial publishing areas as paper books. Which means that an ebook published in the US cannot be sold to the UK; you would have to buy a UK published copy and if there isn't one then you have to start jumping through hoops to buy it from the US.

I think I favour Metryq's view here. As I have said elsewhere, for better or worse, I believe ebooks will come to dominate the market with only a small amount of specialist paper books being published. However what I didn't make clear, and Metryq does, is the timescale. This won't happen overnight it will be a long time and maybe even a generation away. But then again I keep getting surprised how fast things are changing. Don't forget the internet as we know it today, with full graphical browsing (as opposed to Usenet), is really only around 15 to 16 years old and look how fast things are still changing and how quickly it has insinuated itself into all of our lives.
 
I can't believe reading is now moving away from paper and on to e-readers. I am still having a problem dealing with the fact that we no longer read on stone tablets (Moses was not happy about that change).

Things change and progress. 50 years from now (probably less) people will tell stories about how we used to read paper books.
 
I bought a Kindle yesterday and love it! The screen is lovely!

I will now have more shelf space, can read it flat out on the table at work when I'm eating my lunch and it takes up less room in my man bag :)
 
I never thought I'd convert from paper books either, but so far buying the kindle has me reading more and I'm really loving the convenience of having a portable library
 
I never thought I'd convert from paper books either, but so far buying the kindle has me reading more and I'm really loving the convenience of having a portable library

... and then you sit on a ten-hour flight and forgot to recharge your batteries. Now what? :cool:
 
vinyl albums have returned to the stores and are still selling like crazy.
not over here-now you can only find them in second hand markets

. Why then should books be outdated simply because we got e-books? What most people seem to forget is that e-books have been around for a long time already.
In 50 years we'll all be reading e-books or its then equivalent. And altho technically the first e-book may have been around in the 70s they were'nt widely available, if at all, and that makes a difference!
 
My paper books don't come with ads (some of them very briefly used to in a failed paperback experiment but I guarantee it'll work this time on this medium) - no matter what, my paper books don't come with animated ads.

Huh? What ads? Maybe I'm missing something, but in my personal experience -- including ebooks I have, or those belonging to people I know -- I have never encountered an ebook with ads. And I doubt they will; that seems like a commercial no-no.

As for the comment about ads, I'm afraid the poster must be getting confused between browsing the web - lots of ads - and reading an ebook - no ads just like a paper book. Other than the normal ones you see in many books where the author's other books are promoted etc.

Kindle to come with ads

Well, I've played Cassandra enough.
 
Nor with mine and if I was buying a Kindle I don't think I would consider the discount enough to go with the advertising version. Save $25 and then put up with adverts for the next how ever many years you use the device? I think not.

Still I suppose it is at least an option. To force it on people would, I think, be commercial suicide. This could still be. Even if they try to sell it as "take the advertising version and save $25" it will not take people long to see it as "pay an extra $25 for the privilige of not have adverts" and that I suspect may damage their sales.
 
Perhaps the ad-supported diminutive version will be referred to as Kindling?
 

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