July 2018: Reading Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
Okay, I'm a third of the way into Dune Messiah, but there's been no real sense of anything happening.
This is my memory of the sequels, and is the principle characteristic of the last 3, certainly. That said, I have fond memories of wading through them anyway, and I do intend a reread at some point, so its not put me off funnily enough. And Messiah's short, Children was pretty good I think, and God Emperor quite nifty, so I'd keep going; they got sluggish after that though. I have almost no memory of Chapter House at all.

I loved Red Mars. I didn't keep mental track of the SF quotient as I went, unlike Psikey ;) , but its a cracker anyway. Quality and lots of SF words - you can have both.
 
I loved Red Mars. I didn't keep mental track of the SF quotient as I went, unlike Psikey ;) , but its a cracker anyway. Quality and lots of SF words - you can have both.

Very funny Bick. I let my computer do that idiotic busywork.

Computers go with science fiction like Dave and HAL. :p
 
Currently reading The Yiddish Policemen's Union by Michael Chabon. A very literary take on a police procedural. You spend a whole chapter just at breakfast with our grizzled detective. I'm enjoying it but it's definitely a slow read.

It picks up and is occasionally both funny and touching.

About 50 pages from the end of Banquet for the Damned by Adam Nevill. Excellent updating of the Jamesian antiquarian ghost story with subtle undertones of Blackwood and just a hint of Walter de la Mare, perfect for your delectation on a stormy autumn evening as the rain knocks on the French doors and tree branches scratch the siding like a large drenched cat demanding to be let in.

Seriously, it will have to tail off badly for me not to recommend it.


Randy M.
 
It picks up and is occasionally both funny and touching.

About 50 pages from the end of Banquet for the Damned by Adam Nevill. Excellent updating of the Jamesian antiquarian ghost story with subtle undertones of Blackwood and just a hint of Walter de la Mare, perfect for your delectation on a stormy autumn evening as the rain knocks on the French doors and tree branches scratch the siding like a large drenched cat demanding to be let in.

Seriously, it will have to tail off badly for me not to recommend it.


Randy M.


An Amazon review wrote of this book, "It's hard to sustain horror throughout a full-length novel, and "Banquet for the Damned" at 408 pages has some stretches of heavy drinking, drugs, and really bad sex. "

That sure doesn't sound like MRJ, de la Mare, or Blackwood....
 
An Amazon review wrote of this book, "It's hard to sustain horror throughout a full-length novel, and "Banquet for the Damned" at 408 pages has some stretches of heavy drinking, drugs, and really bad sex. "

That sure doesn't sound like MRJ, de la Mare, or Blackwood....

Hi, Extollager.

Well, we both know nothing stays the same. Later writers write from the point of view of their times: That's why I called it an "updating" and from my perspective a quite good one so far.

The main characters include two rock and roll musicians and a lonely and insecure anthropologist studying something that terrifies him. The musicians smoke some weed and drink, the anthropologist is sinking toward alcoholism, meanwhile a couple of University bigwigs drink some whiskey and the ostensible bad guy has used hallucinogens, but what would you expect from a '60s counter-culture type who has studied widely differing religions and who became something of a guru to the young and disaffected?

The use of archaic lore is there, witches and their history are explained, the hunter through dreams hovers over the pages; it's a James-inspired story run through a filter of the events and social/cultural changes occurring since 1936, the year of James' passing. It's certainly not what James would have written, or not in the way he'd have written it, but that doesn't preclude inspiration from his stories even if he'd had disavowed it.


Randy M.
 
Randy, to me your comment sounds like an extraliterary appeal intended to secure for Nevill a literary position he isn't aiming for and doesn't achieve. But thanks for the comment.
 
Raymond Edwards’ biography of “Tolkien”. I thought this was a helpful read. Many thanks for the recommendation @Extollager , as I might not have come across it otherwise.

John Garth “Tolkien and the Great War”. I was a little disappointed in this, as I’d been looking forward to it. The focus is on (1) the group of four schoolfriends and what happened to them in the war, and (2) the evolution/writing of “The Book of Lost Tales”. At this point in time I’m not as interested in the details of the second.

Catherine McIlwaine “Tolkien, Maker of Middle Earth” Bodleian Library. A 400 page coffee table book linked to the current exhibition. While I’ve seen some of this already, particularly the more well-known illustrations, it’s beautifully produced and great to have.

Tolkein’s “Mr Bliss”: I had not read this before, and enjoyed it very much, perhaps because I have some understanding now of the Tolkien family.

Some trivia from the Edwards biography which I have not come across elsewhere in my recent reading around Tolkien….
* In the late 60s the Beatles hoped to buy the rights to LOTR with a view to starring in it (Paul as Frodo, Ringo as Sam, George as Gandalf, and John as Gollum). Tolkien had yet to sell the rights but would not consider it, disliking the Beatles and particularly John Lennon. …..the soundtrack might have been interesting.
* I’d known that the remarkable Donald Wollheim had been a long-term editor at Ace, but hadn’t realised that he was the man directly responsible for the unauthorised paperback printing of LOTR in the USA that unexpectedly garnered it so much publicity.
 
Last edited:
About 1/5 into Liddell Hart's History of the First World War. It seems every leader is either too cautious or plain rubbish, except Gallieni. [That I've read of so far, of course].

It's like the opposite of the Diadochi era (when Alexander had just died) and the Macedonian Empire was brimming with incredibly competent, bold, ruthless, intelligent military leaders.
 
I'm currently reading Dark Hollow, which is the second book in John Connolly's 'Charlie Parker' series. It's a bit gruesome in places but I'm enjoying it a lot. I'm not sure what that says about me :unsure: :ninja:
 
About 1/5 into Liddell Hart's History of the First World War. It seems every leader is either too cautious or plain rubbish, except Gallieni. [That I've read of so far, of course].

It's like the opposite of the Diadochi era (when Alexander had just died) and the Macedonian Empire was brimming with incredibly competent, bold, ruthless, intelligent military leaders.
Read it a long time ago and enjoyed it though keeping track of all the different groups going here and there was a bit hard to follow (which is usually the case with military books). Haven't yet gotten to his survey of WW2 yet but intend to eventually.
 
Randy, to me your comment sounds like an extraliterary appeal intended to secure for Nevill a literary position he isn't aiming for and doesn't achieve. But thanks for the comment.

Um... Okay. Let me try again, though it may remain extra-literary since it's my impression of how writing works which may or may not reflect reality, so feel free to correct me.

James' stories hold a special place, like Doyle's Sherlock Holmes canon. Most writers who try to tap into what makes such stories special produce work that rarely has the elan of the original (even the older Doyle occasionally had trouble matching the younger Doyle). What I've read of those inspired to write James-like stories, some are passable (say, Munby's "Herodes Redivivus" -- which also has a rather distasteful subject) and some are not.

Other writers take the structure or the premise or some aspect of the stories and turn them to their own uses. This can produce good work "in the tradition of" as opposed to pastiche; I would put Fritz Leiber's "Smoke Ghost" in this class since it changes the location of James, employs a different class of protagonist, and modifies and extends the Jamesian ghost story in a way I doubt James would have approved.

The latter is Nevill's approach and within the parameters of what he's attempting, I found his novel successful: The bones of the book are the Jamesian ghost story, but the fleshing out exceeds the normal length of a James story. Writers write what they know, and while Nevill knows St. Andrews and at least some of the workings of the University (having studied there) he also seems to know or intuit the ways of a poor young man with aspiration be a rock musician. And let's not entirely extract James from his milieu: At the time he wrote, he wrote from a very narrow perspective of the well-off at school or in a similar elevated social environment (a social environment a contemporary, Saki, often mocked mercilessly); even Doyle showed a wider range of the seamier side of life, and contemporaries and near-contemporaries of James wrote of, say, the life of the Irish poor in much earthier terms. So if you're not fond of the earthier mixing with the Jamesian story, blame Leiber. :sneaky: Further, Nevill's approach to the threat would doubtless have troubled James in much the way I assume Leiber's approach would have: There's evil out there with powers that to us would appear god-like.

Just to cover other bases: Nevill, and Leiber for that matter, does not write with the elegance of James. It's one of the traits of James' stories that appears hardest to match, equivalent in effect on his work to Doyle's spare and direct writing style on his stories.

So, to sum up, Jamesian but not slavishly so, mainly in underlying structure; content arguably seamier than James and so losing the effect of James whose settings were probably as idealized as Doyle's London, but aiding in establishing the verisimilitude of time and place and characters.

From there, the next decision belongs to the reader: Do I like this sort of thing? Sometimes I do, and this is an instance where I think the writer was mostly successful. Does he reach the heights James reached? Well, no, but then James didn't always either and was still entertaining all the same. Further, the book scratched a personal itch as I'm curious how a form of literature can be adopted by later writers and applied to the social, cultural and political reality in which they live. Critics have often complained about how confining genre is, but I think that's a short-sighted view: Over time genres change and transform and those transformations may offer a good deal of insight into the time and place in which they happen, and even some insight into what we call the human condition.



Bet no one knew it was Long-Winded Tuesday. I'll stop now.

Randy M.
 
@dannymcg - HAHA, I hope so, it's quite good so far TDOTT. I feel quite sad for Roland, SK really can portray physical and emotional pain very well in his writing. I heard the end of the series is a love hate ending amongst readers, but then again who cares, SK is very good with his journeys, and sometimes his destinations as well. I hope that makes sense :cool:
 
Dask, yeah, it's not an era with which I have any real familiarity so it can sometimes be a bit tricky, particularly recalling which chap is general of which army (it doesn't help when you have someone like Rennenkampf, who was on the Russian side. Like Wenger, the name sounds German, but the bloke isn't). That said, it is an interesting read.
 
I am about 20% through Martin Owton's "Exile" (only Kindle makes me care about percentage ). So far it feels like a side story that could take place in a small kingdom within the world of Game of Thrones.
 
I didn't enjoy Dune Messiah, which I posted about here: Dune Messiah

Momentum has taken me into the third book in the series, Children of Dune. It's not as bad and there's a better sense of story in this book. However, the story doesn't feel consistent: the treatment of Alia's character especially, and the omission of an heir on Salusa Secondus come immediately to mind.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top