300 vs 10,000

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I was stunned when saw the part that Legolas Confronted Aragorn in Hemls Deep because Legolas is a Character that Does not Express any feelings but at that time, He expressed some kind of distrust and fear at the situation. You got to put yourself in the situation of the men of Rohan and a Pointy-ear guy telling that there is no hope left. That Gave me the Creeps....
 
Welcome Isra :)

You have to remember that Legolas soon asked for forgiveness after the scene you mention above.

Legolas is an immortal elf and actually felt deeply for the humans of Rohan. He felt all their short lives would soon be thrown away and be all the shorter. Legolas showed something of what many elves sense: they could not understand why a human would stay and fight instead of flee. Elves live a long long time and they know precisely where they go when they do die. But for a human who lives so briefly... And know not where they might go... To some dark, unknown.

What is the point in rushing headlong to your death?

Thus does Peter Jackson bring in more elves to do battle at Helms Deep...

To show that elves are touched deeply by the fact humans will throw their own short lives into battle!

Tolkien was a master story teller. Theres is always more than meets the eye, my friends :)

[Have to edit and say that Ive seen movies so often I am starting to blur the line between them and the books. I meant Tolkien was a thorough storyteller and Jackson has done a masterful effort. Redeeming at all? For Jackson and I? Hehe]
 
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Just watched The Two Towers again and am wondering what the population of Rohan actually was. It supposedly had 5000 riders with Eomer, yet only 300 people capable of bearing arms at Helms Deep.

Also, how many survived that battle. Looked about 7 in the film. Am I right in thinking all the elves bought it?
 
Its 300 that come from Lorien (hey my school). There are more then 300 in Helms Deap. There is at least around 1000.
 
I Think Lord of the rings is the best movie of our Era.......even though I haven't read the books, i think Peter Jackson did a wonderful job directing it. I am only left to imagine little of whats in the books.
 
Majimaune said:
Its 300 that come from Lorien (hey my school). There are more then 300 in Helms Deap. There is at least around 1000.
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I thought the scene where Legolas despairs and says "300 - against 10'000" was before the Elves arrived. Legolas apologises just before they hear the elf horn
 
HBP said:
I Think Lord of the rings is the best movie of our Era.......even though I haven't read the books, i think Peter Jackson did a wonderful job directing it. I am only left to imagine little of whats in the books.
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Not of our era. I thought PJ did a mediocer job of what could have been done.

Kostmayer said:
I thought the scene where Legolas despairs and says "300 - against 10'000" was before the Elves arrived. Legolas apologises just before they hear the elf horn
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It is before the elves arrive but you people really need to read the books. PJ mixed up all the numbers.
 
I've read the books several times, but not for a good few years :) Keep meaning to go back to them.
 
I too thought PJ gave the film great direction. Although I'm not totally happy with it , it's hard to imagine anyone else being able to cope with the scope of it all.

tIt must have been tremendously difficult for a fan of the books to have to balance his love of story telling against the need to make a product which was commercially viable. I doubt any other director would have the guts to make 3 films spanning almost 12 hours and yet still have the vision to make an extended version for DVD users
 
Yeah it is terribly hard for me. I dont like how there is an officail way that ME is meant to look now.

PJ certainly did have a lot of guts to do the films though.
 
In the books, there were no elves. Also, I think there were about one thousand men defending the Hornburg
 
My problem with Helm's deep was that one minute there's elves aplenty, then the next minute, they retreat into the caves and the elves have vanished?
surely they did't all die when the wall fell?
 
I've seen someone assert that they were all dead in Haldir's death scene, but they were shown later, still shooting arrows from another position, so I figure that many of them lived but were just unseen. They had been diverted from their path to the docks to come to Rohan, so presumably they just kept going when they were done.
 
nj1 said:
My problem with Helm's deep was that one minute there's elves aplenty, then the next minute, they retreat into the caves and the elves have vanished?
surely they did't all die when the wall fell?
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I have the same problem as well. I definately saw some retreat into the caves...
 
In the books, there were no elves. Also, I think there were about one thousand men defending the Hornburg
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So there were no elves showing up to help them in the books? So that conversation between Galadriel and Elrond didn't happen either?

Geez I wanted to read them to find out what became of some other characters.

I've watched the extended version of the movies now and I just assumed more from the books were there. Guess that's the wrong theory now.

Looks like I might meet a few surprises if I ever get around to reading them.

Hec, I remember when I found out that my favorite scene in the Wyatt Earp movie is the one scene in the whole film that never actually happened. I was so disappointed.
 
Timeline doesn't work, either...Elrond would have had to known at least ten days before the Hornburg that help would be needed, and would have had to dispatch that help when the Fellowship was still floating down the Anduin....
 
pyan said:
Timeline doesn't work, either...Elrond would have had to known at least ten days before the Hornburg that help would be needed, and would have had to dispatch that help when the Fellowship was still floating down the Anduin....
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And exactly the same time Gandalf came to Lothlorien. Could Gandalf, in the film, be the catalyst for the elves appearing?
 
Possibly....

But that's one of the problems with the films, for me. Every thing in the books relies on "normal" methods of communication, (except for the extremely specialised and flawed palantiri). Gandalf wants to leave a vital message for Frodo? He has to leave it with an overworked and forgetful inn-keeper. Gondor urgently needs help from Rohan? They sent a small group of riders with the Red Arrow.
However, this isn't enough for Jackson...he has Gandalf sending messages by moths, of all things. And if your surmise is correct, FV, not only is he sending a message to Elrond via some form of communication with Lorien, he's also foreseeing the need for the reinforcing elves well before that need actually arises....
 
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