Brys said:I didn't say it was the equivalent of Eddings, I said if you took away all of the dark elements (which are all the great parts about the story, of which there are many), it wouldn't be that much better than an Eddings. I loved the book, and I said that. I thought my post had conveyed that with "I thought the first book was one of the best starts to a dark epic fantasy series since R Scott Bakker's the Darkness that Comes Before".
I'm with Alone on this one Brys. Jones Vs. Eddings? I don't care if you Stew it, Mash it, Boil it, Steam it, Fry it OR Roast it, as a contest it's a a no-brainer!....a|one said:I understood that... I'm just saying I don't know how you could consider eddings his equivalent in any sense, /w or w/o the dark elements. I would consider The Barbed Coil(my least favoured JV Jones novel) a better book than anything eddings has ever produced. IMO her characters are more real and less stereotypical, her stories are far more dynamic, and her innate storytelling ability far surpasses his.
I've read many of the books you listed in your second paragraph, and I never said being impossible means it has to be nice.
So once again, what did you think of it? Have you read all the books? Did you enjoy it? Did you hate it? What were you favourite elements of it?
The Peake style part in the castle (I've forgotten its name now) was also great
I think you meant A Sword From Red Ice...Ainulindale said:I am looking forward to A Sword From Ice
which keeps gettiing delayed, however.
I'm not getting involved in the whole Eddings/Jones thing. I'm just goig to say Eddings is one the worst writers I have ever read in my life.
GOLLUM said:Interesting Alone, I'm slightly different in my order of Jones who is also my fav female fantasy author alongside Janny Wurts with Kate Eliott not too far behind. Then again haven't read Kelpie's stuff yet....
For me No. 1 is of course Sword Of Shadows, fantastic! No .2 I thought was Barbed Coil and No. 3 was The Book Of Words trilogy. As you'll know Words came before Barbed which came before Shadows, so I could really see an incremental improvement in JV's writing with each new release. For me there's no comparison b/w The Book Of Words and Sword Of Shadows trilogy, be intrested in your thoughts here??.
Yeh I think I'm with you on this point alone.a|one said:I have to agree with you about Sword of Shadows being better by far, I think for me what made Book of Words better than Barbed Coil was the characters. I just really liked Tawl and several others more than I liked the characters from Barbed Coil (who's names I can no longer even recall ).
Sword of Shadows is definitely one of my favourite fantasy series' of all time.
One of the main points I was atempting to make I think..Brys said:Then, removing the dark elements is an arbitrary concern, because it is such an essential component of the series.
Yeh that's probably fair comment Brys when you compare her prose against those great writers. She's certainly not in the top bracket, I'll happily concede that but still good and I do read her Sword Of Shadows trilogy partly at least for the prose because I found it really quite atmospheric at times.Brys said:The writing was very good in comparison to the bulk of fantasy - it's miles ahead of Eddings, Feist, Cook, Clemens etc, but IMO it isn't quite as good as Erikson, Martin or Bakker, and nowhere near Peake, Harrison, Calvino or Mieville. I don't read Jones' novels for good writing, because while it is good, it isn't astounding, but because of the great plot, worldbuilding and characters - the same reason I read Martin.
I'll be intrested to see how Harrison's prose compares to these authors when I read his series.
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