Opening scene to my dystopian novel

otaylor

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Hey everyone, first chance to post something for critique here, so I'm jumping right in ;)
This is the prologue to the novel, called Time Without End. I'm much more of a discovery writer, and I started with this and went through to the end. Eventually, I'm interested in how it compares to the opening of chapter 1, but that's a much longer piece of writing and I want to know basically if this would encourage you to continue reading or not. Obviously, I'm open to any other kind of input as well :)

Prologue

He peered over the edge. Twenty-five stories to the streets below, the streetlamps distant hazy pools, their halos barely visible through the driving rain. Quelling the urge to vomit, he grasped the far side of the ledge in front of him and heaved his torso up onto the parapet. The wall was low, just over chest height. The rooftop around him was dimly lit, harsh electric lights struggling to reach through the gloom. This was madness. Struggling slightly, he lifted one leg to catch the near edge of the wall and slid his hips up, prostrating himself lengthways. The rain was freezing, plastering his hair to his head, running in rivulets down his neck. His clothing was already sodden. Keeping his eyes fixed on the narrow space in front of him, he pushed himself up onto his knees. The top of the wall was covered in a light metal coating, hammered round the edges, smooth and soft looking. It loomed large as he tried to avoid looking at the gaping void to his right.

‘Come on! Get up! Face it! Let the fear run through you, ride it like a wave.’

Gritting his teeth, he lifted his gaze along the wall to come to rest on two muddied-white trainers a few feet away from him. His eyes flitted to his right and his world yawed wildly. His hands slid across the wet surface, scrabbling for purchase.

‘Stand up!’ His companion’s voice rang across the top of the apartment building. ‘This, it’s all in your head, you know you’ll be ok. Let yourself feel the rush, the thrill.’

The feet stepped closer, and his imagination ran riot, picturing the trainers skating off the edge. A hand reached down. Calloused and strong looking, but both the ring and little finger ended in short stubs just above the knuckle. Swallowing bile, he reached his own hand up, barely recognising it, and took hold, clinging like his life depended on it. Fear rocked his body as the hand pulled at him, heaving him upwards. He almost screamed. But he was standing now. His legs felt like jelly, and his feet did feel like they were on ice, shifting as if hovering above the metal. Water seeped through and around his shoes. He realised his eyes were closed. Opening them was a force of will he was surprised he found the strength for.

The face before him was weathered, hard-worn and lined, pale images of bruises recently healed scattered from forehead to chin. The nose had been broken, perhaps more than once, and looked swollen. Why was he focusing on these things? Passing things. Unimportant things. He turned to his right, and let his gaze roam out across the cityscape. Scattered lights lit some of the windows, within ghostly outlines in glowing red eyes warning aircraft. Even so, the night’s shadow, heavy clouds and the downpour kept the view minimal. Inexorably, his eyes drifted back towards his feet and the sheer drop below them. The rain twisted his perspective as he watched the drops pass him, his eyes tracking the falling water and momentarily freezing it in the air. It felt wrong, like transgressing time.

‘Enough, let’s do this!’ His companion jerked his hand outward, and he found himself half pulled and half stepping out into the void and then his stomach lurching into his mouth, terror locking his body rigid, a scream trapped in his throat and half choking him as the wind roared in his ears and scoured his eyes open wide, and he joined the falling rain, followed it down and down past a blur of glass and chrome, the warm glow of the street lights rushing to greet him and the insane laughter that rang through his head such that he almost thought it was his own before the street was there and the world exploded in red and black.
 

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@otaylor Well, the MC first day of immortal Boot Camp, and it obvious that the MC doesn't believe that he is immortal and is terrified to no end.

You did a good job of tying in the MC's emotions with the visual descriptions of the setting. But I fell that there could be a little less focus on the descriptions and some more of his own personal thoughts to drive home his fear of this training he is going through. A little more absolute doubt and total fear in his thoughts. You did a good job capturing this in action and description, just a little more of the internal torment he is experiencing would be nice. Add some verbal doubt and pleading maybe? Not much, but just enough?

Great job! You caught my interest.
 
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I think this is a good scene to open on. Definitely piqued my interest. I agree with @THX1138 about too much description. I didn't think most of it was necessary, especially for an opening scene designed to hook the reader. You set the scene well in the first 2 sentences, its easy to imagine, I don't need more details.

I feel like you could get away with cutting these 2 whole sections.
Quelling the urge to vomit, he grasped the far side of the ledge in front of him and heaved his torso up onto the parapet. The wall was low, just over chest height. The rooftop around him was dimly lit, harsh electric lights struggling to reach through the gloom. This was madness. Struggling slightly, he lifted one leg to catch the near edge of the wall and slid his hips up, prostrating himself lengthways. The rain was freezing, plastering his hair to his head, running in rivulets down his neck. His clothing was already sodden. Keeping his eyes fixed on the narrow space in front of him, he pushed himself up onto his knees. The top of the wall was covered in a light metal coating, hammered round the edges, smooth and soft looking. It loomed large as he tried to avoid looking at the gaping void to his right.
The face before him was weathered, hard-worn and lined, pale images of bruises recently healed scattered from forehead to chin. The nose had been broken, perhaps more than once, and looked swollen. Why was he focusing on these things? Passing things. Unimportant things. He turned to his right, and let his gaze roam out across the cityscape. Scattered lights lit some of the windows, within ghostly outlines in glowing red eyes warning aircraft. Even so, the night’s shadow, heavy clouds and the downpour kept the view minimal. Inexorably, his eyes drifted back towards his feet and the sheer drop below them.

Another couple of notes. When you said 'muddied-white trainers' I wasn't sure if you were refering to people or a pair of shoes. I assumed shoes, but I think that assumption was wrong. Also I didn't like leaving the first line of dialogue untagged, I wasn't sure if the MC was speaking to himself, trying to psyche himself up or what.
 

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Thanks @THX1138 and @therapist - it's clear that there's a bit too much description; it's something I'm prone to, trying to really describe a vivid image in my head rather than letting the reader imagine theirs. Some of it, like the physical description section, is designed as a kind of signpost/hint thing, but I'll also give it more thought as maybe it's not necessary. I might post a chunk of chapter 1 as well so that you can see how this first scene then leads into the book :)
 

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Hi otaylor, this is a good opening. I do think that with the advantage of height, you have a unique advantage to detail to the reader the cityscape of the place where the action is taking place. This could also help to give a feel for what type of world your protagonist inhabits. so for example he could see the 'Ministry of Justice' looming over the buildings around, or the 'Grand Ducal Palace' or the parapets of the city walls etc. And wouldn't he be half-pushed rather than half-pulled over the edge?
 

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Hi otaylor, this is a good opening. I do think that with the advantage of height, you have a unique advantage to detail to the reader the cityscape of the place where the action is taking place. This could also help to give a feel for what type of world your protagonist inhabits. so for example he could see the 'Ministry of Justice' looming over the buildings around, or the 'Grand Ducal Palace' or the parapets of the city walls etc. And wouldn't he be half-pushed rather than half-pulled over the edge?
Thanks! That's an excellent point actually. When I started this I hadn't decided on the setting, and then it became near-ish future part-flooded London. For some reason I never thought of coming back and using this scene to signpost that a bit. You're right, rather than random non-descript description, I could use this for better scene-setting.
With the jump, I wanted it to be clear that the other person jumps first and pulls the MC along with him, but I see now it's pretty ambiguous.
 

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This isn't too shabby. You need to review your sentence meanings. For instance, heaving a torso brought a completely different image to mind. The second sentence is in a different prose mode to the others in the paragraph. The prose "music" overall isn't quite right also, eg. concurrent sentences beginning with the, and a lot of use of the word was. The style is notably improved by the end. Duff first para, basically.
Eg. "Why was he focusing on that? Passing things. Unimportant things."
I also think you've over-emphasised the emotional content, eg swallowing bile. It's a tad overwrought.
 

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I like most of this apart from one or two clumsy sentences eg. "Opening them was a force of will he was surprised he found the strength for." And perhaps you've used a tad too much description but it definitely gripped me.

When I was first writing my book I was told nobody liked prologues these days which really bothered me at the time. I would have loved to place a prologue in the beginning of my story, but was stupid enough to listen. To prologue or not to prologue? And should the second book in a story have one?

Also I would be glad to read any other opening scenes, and comment. I had a lot of problems with mine.
 

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I enjoyed reading it. It was very immersive. You took your time, and by the end of the passage I was in the mind of the character. I could feel the rain, and the darkness, and the height.

I think there could be a better way to describe the vertigo, but I can't think of what. I do think that the description of falling was a little too low key. He should be terrified as he falls, given the build up.

‘Come on! Get up! Face it! Let the fear run through you, ride it like a wave.’
This disoriented me: perhaps better to write his companion said at this point, rather than the next.

The writing is awesome. Keep going!
 

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This isn't too shabby. You need to review your sentence meanings. For instance, heaving a torso brought a completely different image to mind. The second sentence is in a different prose mode to the others in the paragraph. The prose "music" overall isn't quite right also, eg. concurrent sentences beginning with the, and a lot of use of the word was. The style is notably improved by the end. Duff first para, basically.
Eg. "Why was he focusing on that? Passing things. Unimportant things."
I also think you've over-emphasised the emotional content, eg swallowing bile. It's a tad overwrought.
Thanks for your input - I'd definitely never read the torso sentence that way, but I very much see what you mean :ROFLMAO: I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the prose music, although in trying I think I might. Perhaps it comes from having already edited it down a bit, and then the edited sentence lack the same flavour as the unedited ones (as opposed to when I wrote it off the cuff).
Did you mean it got better by your example sentence, or that was another example of bad style?
And I can definitely see what you mean on the bile/vomit inducing thing in general, trying to capture the fear, which actually in the light of the rest of the book (I wrote it beginning to end) isn't really ideal, but I liked the scene... anyway I'll give it thought, thanks.
I like most of this apart from one or two clumsy sentences eg. "Opening them was a force of will he was surprised he found the strength for." And perhaps you've used a tad too much description but it definitely gripped me.

When I was first writing my book I was told nobody liked prologues these days which really bothered me at the time. I would have loved to place a prologue in the beginning of my story, but was stupid enough to listen. To prologue or not to prologue? And should the second book in a story have one?

Also I would be glad to read any other opening scenes, and comment. I had a lot of problems with mine.
That sentence also flashed at me the last time I read it so it will definitely go :) I wonder if the prologue has put agents off haha! I hadn't read about not doing one. I have a prologue and an epilogue... And yes I can happily post up some of chapter one too, I think it's too long for the whole thing to go up. Also happy for more beta readers.
I enjoyed reading it. It was very immersive. You took your time, and by the end of the passage I was in the mind of the character. I could feel the rain, and the darkness, and the height.

I think there could be a better way to describe the vertigo, but I can't think of what. I do think that the description of falling was a little too low key. He should be terrified as he falls, given the build up.

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This disoriented me: perhaps better to write his companion said at this point, rather than the next.

The writing is awesome. Keep going!
Thank so much :) It's really nice to hear. It's hard to get a balance between too much description (which lots of people have said for this), and enough to give a good sense of place, and also timing (because essentially all the scene is, is him and his friend jumping off a building). Totally agree with specifying the companion speaking, and I'll give the vertigo some thought. I rock climb and also get this, so I feel like I should be able to find a way to describe it!
 

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I actually liked the description and feel it helps to set a dark tone.

As a prologue, though, I don't feel it tells me anything about what is to come. What is this section supposed to reveal to the reader? I don't know why the PoV is doing what he is doing. I don't see what payoff he would get by succeeding or what succeeding would entail. I also have flip-flopped on whether the character lives or dies at the end. Consider whether this prologue is needed or whether to just start with chapter one. In general, I feel that prologues are helpful in fantasy as they allow the writer to isolate some aspect of the world building and get it conveyed before starting the overall plot arc. If the character lives, certainly give us his name; if he dies, then keeping him anonymous may be the right choice for the story. Consider giving the name of the organization or the trainers or companion. Consider telling why the character is going through this experience. Give me some reason to cheer for him; this will increase the tension when he finally dies or fails to die.

Your writing does a very good job of conveying the mood and atmosphere. Bealk, dystopian environments always make for an interesting read. I hope this is helpful to you.
 

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I actually liked the description and feel it helps to set a dark tone.

As a prologue, though, I don't feel it tells me anything about what is to come. What is this section supposed to reveal to the reader? I don't know why the PoV is doing what he is doing. I don't see what payoff he would get by succeeding or what succeeding would entail. I also have flip-flopped on whether the character lives or dies at the end. Consider whether this prologue is needed or whether to just start with chapter one. In general, I feel that prologues are helpful in fantasy as they allow the writer to isolate some aspect of the world building and get it conveyed before starting the overall plot arc. If the character lives, certainly give us his name; if he dies, then keeping him anonymous may be the right choice for the story. Consider giving the name of the organization or the trainers or companion. Consider telling why the character is going through this experience. Give me some reason to cheer for him; this will increase the tension when he finally dies or fails to die.

Your writing does a very good job of conveying the mood and atmosphere. Bealk, dystopian environments always make for an interesting read. I hope this is helpful to you.
Thanks @Wayne Mack that's helpful :) It's really hard to get a good balance. Each time I've come back to it I've trimmed a little, and not everyone said it's too descriptive, so there's obviously a balance.

Rather than be informative, I wanted this to do something quite specific - ideally it's like a boom, pre-credits TV style thing, which hopefully peaks some interest, and then into Chapter One which (spoiler alert ;) ) is some cops with two splatted bodies at the bottom of a building. I want the initial feeling to be, oh, weird, maybe it was just that, for chapter one, then chapter two opens some doubt about it. The main hook for the book is slowly revealed through the two different narratives that then intersect, and in the process they slowly reveal what that initial scene was all about. So ideally it gives a sense of mystery and, 'hmmm', and slowly it's like, 'oooh, aaah' (or something). But a couple of readers found it off-putting and it didn't hook them. But then I can't cater to everyone...
 

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It will be a divisive subject, but for me a prologue is about setting the scene, and getting enough background info over as possible without it seeming like an info dump. The characters, their hopes, fears and inner thoughts are something that build up as the story progresses, but some indications as to their thoughts can be helpful.

Another thing (in my opinion) is that the prologue does not have to be a coherent story in and of itself. Having unusual things happen in the introduction can be of benefit if they draw the reader in, enticing the reader to read on to make sense of them.

Breaking Bad did this in many episodes, with events occurring at the beginning of the episode that made no sense, but were later explained as the plot revealed itself. I think that your prologue makes a pretty good job of that.
 

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I'm usually turned off prologues. They often feel boring, and like a hurdle I have to surmount before i'm allowed into the story. Yours doesn't have that problem at all. But would there be any issue in calling it chapter one? I wonder if it will read exactly the same, but will slip under the radar of people who dislike prologues.
this video has a literary agent critiquing first pages of fantasy novel submissions. She mentions that prologues are generally disliked, and agents prefer something more immediate. If you are planning on submitting to agents, this is a good video to watch.
 

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I'm usually turned off prologues. They often feel boring, and like a hurdle I have to surmount before i'm allowed into the story. Yours doesn't have that problem at all. But would there be any issue in calling it chapter one? I wonder if it will read exactly the same, but will slip under the radar of people who dislike prologues.
this video has a literary agent critiquing first pages of fantasy novel submissions. She mentions that prologues are generally disliked, and agents prefer something more immediate. If you are planning on submitting to agents, this is a good video to watch.
Very informative to watch. Makes me rethink my own novels 1st chapter.
 

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This is great! Caught my attention, got me hooked, especially for a critique.

The last paragraph was one giant sentence which I didn't like, so maybe change that. But other wise, great job :)
 

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