paeng
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It has nothing to do with being attractive but with lines in dialogue that express character.You can't write someone more attractive.
It has nothing to do with being attractive but with lines in dialogue that express character.You can't write someone more attractive.
I think some of the people that get beat up by racist trolls are just being picked on because they don't fulfill the expectation of the attractive and confident central character. Unfortunately, when there is a poor casting choice the nice people say nothing and the kind of people that are also racists feel most comfortable critiquing an actor's looks.It has nothing to do with being attractive but with lines in dialogue that express character.
I think some of the people that get beat up by racist trolls are just being picked on because they don't fulfill the expectation of the attractive and confident central character. Unfortunately, when there is a poor casting choice the nice people say nothing and the kind of people that are also racists feel most comfortable critiquing an actor's looks.
I feel that many of the actors cast for the final trilogy of SW films did not meet the standard of the SW universe set by Ford, Williams, Hammill and Fisher. Even the supporting actors in the originals tended to be nice looking.
What actor played Jabba?I didn't find Jabba the Hutt to be particularly attractive.
What actor played Jabba?
I'm lost on the thread on the attractiveness of the cast.
One of my major gripes with the Sequel Trilogy. You had all these characters written in and then... nothing. They were completely forgotten about.
I foolishly thought that Finn was going to be a major character in the ST. Likable actor, likable character and then as Rise of Skywalker came around, he was just a bit part without a satisfactory arc. Disney lost a lot by not having a story fleshed out for the three (then two) Directors to follow and the who thing became a mess.
You can't write someone more attractive.
Yes I too am a bit lost with the 'attractiveness'. Are we just talking about likable/dislikable characters?
I totally agree about Finn though. In the whole 10 movies, his is one of the most interesting characters. Here we have a stormtrooper who refuses to carry out orders he doesn't think are morally right. This is quite a shock to the viewer, when previously we have seen the Empire's soldiers as little more than automatons. A missed opportunity, and such a waste of a character and fine actor. The same happened with Darth Maul.
I liked Finn and was not happy with what they did with his character
As for Darth Maul , he should have been one of the principle antagonists throughout the prequel trilogy . He should have been the what really turned Anakin to the Dark side of the force not no much Palatine. This would have made the film far better.
Right. So my post about attractive people and casting have nothing to do with puppets.Jabba was a puppet
I was replying to Paeng's assertion that diversity was a problem for these films. I don't think the 'race' of the characters was what even the racists were initially reacting to. I just don't think they cast actors that looked right for the legacy of the parts they were playing, and I would include Finn in that. His expression was never confident - people in SW aren't supposed to look stressed/scared all the time. And that isn't just acting - that actor always seems to look upset.I'm lost on the thread on the attractiveness of the cast.
One of my major gripes with the Sequel Trilogy. You had all these characters written in and then... nothing. They were completely forgotten about.
I foolishly thought that Finn was going to be a major character in the ST. Likable actor, likable character and then as Rise of Skywalker came around, he was just a bit part without a satisfactory arc. Disney lost a lot by not having a story fleshed out for the three (then two) Directors to follow and the who thing became a mess.
I think some of the people that get beat up by racist trolls are just being picked on because they don't fulfill the expectation of the attractive and confident central character. Unfortunately, when there is a poor casting choice the nice people say nothing and the kind of people that are also racists feel most comfortable critiquing an actor's looks.
I feel that many of the actors cast for the final trilogy of SW films did not meet the standard of the SW universe set by Ford, Williams, Hammill and Fisher. Even the supporting actors in the originals tended to be nice looking.
Right. So my post about attractive people and casting have nothing to do with puppets.
I was replying to Paeng's assertion that diversity was a problem for these films. I don't think the 'race' of the characters was what even the racists were initially reacting to. I just don't think they cast actors that looked right for the legacy of the parts they were playing, and I would include Finn in that. His expression was never confident - people in SW aren't supposed to look stressed/scared all the time. And that isn't just acting - that actor always seems to look upset.
Despite the new filmmakers all being fans of SW, none of them seem to understand that part of the power the OT had was that the people in SW were not like us. They move through life in a different way, and that's why those films were so immersive - the audience is never burdened with the insecurities and phobias of contemporary humans. If JJ Abrams had directed SW, Luke would have had a scene breathing into a paper bag before putting on his Stormtrooper disguise and Leia would have PTSD for the rest of the films after her interrogations.
Those movies don't suffer from a single problem. They are badly conceived all the way around.The problem isn't diversity but the belief that diversity or the opposite or anything else can make up for bad writing.
They can come up with an all-white or all-black cast consisting of the most attractive and best actors in the world, and the movies will still fail.
Those movies don't suffer from a single problem. They are badly conceived all the way around.
My point about the racist reaction to the films would not have changed with different writing. Some of those actors don't fit the heroic mold of the previous films. Different actors of the same nationalities would have stirred much less trolling.
The problem isn't diversity but the belief that diversity or the opposite or anything else can make up for bad writing.
They can come up with an all-white or all-black cast consisting of the most attractive and best actors in the world, and the movies will still fail.
By making good films. Old fans don't require fan service just to like something. They want to feel something like what the original felt, not watch two hours of Easter Eggs.I can't see how, whatever they did, they could have satisfied both new fans and old.
For all of their faults, Disney were hampered to some extent by having to compete with three of the most iconic movies of all time. I can't see how, whatever they did, they could have satisfied both new fans and old.
I don't agree, because modern super spy films like the Daniel Craig 007, Bourne and last several Mission Impossible films are almost equally satisfying. Yet they are different stories and characters, despite existing in a very similar universe of super bad guys and absurd action. They could easily be related stories from the same universe.I agree. It's impossible to produce something that's the same and yet different and very high quality, and also which replicates the experience of seeing the originals. For quite a lot of fans, it seems that the experience of first seeing the original films was very strong, a little like the experience some people clearly had reading The Lord of the Rings for the first time. I'm not sure if that can be replicated, particularly in the internet age. Disney was wise to strike off in new directions, although some of the results could have been better.
Those movies don't suffer from a single problem. They are badly conceived all the way around.
My point about the racist reaction to the films would not have changed with different writing. Some of those actors don't fit the heroic mold of the previous films. Different actors of the same nationalities would have stirred much less trolling.
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