The Saints of Salvation by Peter F Hamilton

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The third book in Hamilton’s Salvation sequence, and it feels like there must be at least one more to come. This is classic Hamilton; a vast millennia- and galaxy-spanning canvas. A multithreaded plot with threads running in the near and far future which he manages to bring together brilliantly. His visions of what far future science and society might be capable of is positively mind expanding. All the components that Hamilton is so skilled at bringing together and here does as better than ever.

As humanity realises just how supremely they have been outmanoeuvred by the religiously fanatical Olyix aliens, there are still those who are determined to continue the fight inspired by the example of the ‘saints’ who are believed to be long dead.

As ever Hamilton has constructed a labyrinthine plot in which he skilfully weaves multiple threads separated by thousands of years. His far future is smoothly constructed around a humanity that has followed several different, social, biological and scientific evolutionary paths including a degree of lift from other alien races also hiding from the Olyix, whilst the near future humanity is all too believable in both their strengths and their stupidity. Within these disparate threads Hamilton develops a very eclectic cast of characters that each fits their own society perfectly and yet must find ways to adapt to those of the other societies. Hamilton achieves this with that finesse and level of detail that I find so characteristic of his writing.

Some find this amount of detail Hamilton builds into his novel too much and would prefer a much-reduced page count but I can’t get enough of it; I become totally immersed in the world he paints so vividly and this book, and indeed this series, has achieved this for me better than ever, keeping the pace and the surprises going throughout so that the typical Hamilton high page count never gets a chance to drag.

5/5 stars
 

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As far as I know there aren't any more books planned in the series, although I guess that could change in future since it definitely doesn't tie everything up neatly at the end.
 

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I'd love to get into this, but i just find PFH to be quite an investment in time and i'm not sure whether the pay off is worth it.

Don't get me wrong, i really enjoyed the Night's Dawn trilogy, but i didn't think they were worth the 3, 500 page count.
 

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I'm currently reading the first one, Salvation.
The excerpt below annoys me, why no proof reading? (And earlier in the book we had a bare with me)

Got you, Savi,” the level voice of active ops replied. “Full reception.”
She nodded at Tarli, trying to reign in her nerves. “Thank you.”
It was always bad just before she hit the street, heart pumping away, anxiety making her jumpy.
 

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I'm currently reading the first one, Salvation.
The excerpt below annoys me, why no proof reading? (And earlier in the book we had a bare with me)

Got you, Savi,” the level voice of active ops replied. “Full reception.”
She nodded at Tarli, trying to reign in her nerves. “Thank you.”
It was always bad just before she hit the street, heart pumping away, anxiety making her jumpy.
I finding this more and more even with established authors like Hamilton and I consider it to be inexcusable. I also consider it to be inexcusable with self published authors but at least you can understand their budget constraints. This sort of thing simply shouldn't slip through with names like Hamilton, I can only assume they are cutting costs. But I agree with you it makes me angry as it always pulls me out of the story.

As far as I know there aren't any more books planned in the series, although I guess that could change in future since it definitely doesn't tie everything up neatly at the end.
Yes I couldn't see any mention of it and yet he hasn't called it a trilogy and their are two massive dangling ends.
Just consider the last sentence: "Let's go kill us a god" and what about the imminent search for Salvation. How can the 'sequence' finish when we've never yet seen Salvation?

Think about the name The Salvation Sequence there has to be another book planned!

I'd love to get into this, but i just find PFH to be quite an investment in time and i'm not sure whether the pay off is worth it.

Don't get me wrong, i really enjoyed the Night's Dawn trilogy, but i didn't think they were worth the 3, 500 page count.
The Night's Dawn trilogy is actually probably my least favourite of Hamilton's but there you go! I think you either love the depth of description that he goes into or you don't. I actually think the same applies to, for example, The Lord of the Rings; particularly towards the end, the descriptions tend to go on and on. It could have been massively edited down (think of all the stuff that happens in the Hobbit and how short that book is). I'm not saying I think either Hamilton or Tolkien should be edited down though as, personally, I love the depth of these narratives and I actually find many older 'classic' SF books that generally don't go beyond 250 pages to be really thin and lacking in colour. But that's just me.
 
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I'd love to get into this, but i just find PFH to be quite an investment in time and i'm not sure whether the pay off is worth it.

Don't get me wrong, i really enjoyed the Night's Dawn trilogy, but i didn't think they were worth the 3, 500 page count.
By Hamilton's standards they're short (only about 5-600 pages each rather than the 1000+ pages of the Nights Dawn books), although still not exactly short by normal standards.
 

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I'd love to get into this, but i just find PFH to be quite an investment in time and i'm not sure whether the pay off is worth it.

Don't get me wrong, i really enjoyed the Night's Dawn trilogy, but i didn't think they were worth the 3, 500 page count.
3,500 pages? That would take me all year, unless I gave up beforehand.
 

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If it helps, I did a review of Saints of Salvation over at SFCrowsnest. https://www.sfcrowsnest.info/saints...ilogy-book-3-by-peter-f-hamilton-book-review/

There are reviews of the previous books in the trilogy also there.

In an Zoomerview he did say he was hoping to work on a follow up novel in the Salvation universe, but was rather busy with various projects for theme being. One of them was a joint novella with Gareth L Powell - Light Chaser - which being a novella is under 40k words!
 

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If it helps, I did a review of Saints of Salvation over at SFCrowsnest. https://www.sfcrowsnest.info/saints...ilogy-book-3-by-peter-f-hamilton-book-review/

There are reviews of the previous books in the trilogy also there.

In an Zoomerview he did say he was hoping to work on a follow up novel in the Salvation universe, but was rather busy with various projects for theme being. One of them was a joint novella with Gareth L Powell - Light Chaser - which being a novella is under 40k words!
That one, Light Chaser, is already out. I shall probably give it a whirl but I'm not overly hopeful as I did try Powell's Embers of War book but I found the writing appalling and gave up half way through. Filled with purple prose, excessively frequent and flowery similes and massive melodrama; lots of "I'm a soldier I can take this" sort of thing. For me at least it was simply unreadable.

He also has an audio exclusive series he's just started with the first 'volume' out, A Hole in the Sky, which apparently presents itself as adult but everyone is describing as YA which I won't be getting as I don't do audio books and am not keen on most YA.

So yes I can see he might be busy which is fair enough. But if all he's thinking of is a "follow up" in the same universe, then I'm afraid I have to say shame on him for leaving the story of these three books unfinished in my view. Which I note you also say at the end of your review, though possibly less forcibly/more diplomatically than me! :D
 

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I'm currently reading the first one, Salvation.
The excerpt below annoys me, why no proof reading? (And earlier in the book we had a bare with me)

Got you, Savi,” the level voice of active ops replied. “Full reception.”
She nodded at Tarli, trying to reign in her nerves. “Thank you.”
It was always bad just before she hit the street, heart pumping away, anxiety making her jumpy.
Two instances so far of wearily being used when the context is obviously warily - I think he's only used spell check.
 

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Two instances so far of wearily being used when the context is obviously warily - I think he's only used spell check.
That's quite possible but one of the main reasons he's giving a significant cut of his sales to a traditional publishing house is that he will be expecting their copy/proof readers to fix those errors. That's their job!

And yes rain falls from the sky, kings reign over their subjects and horses have reins.
 

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