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BAYLOR

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Tropes and clichés come in all varieties ,shapes and sizes. What are your favorite trope and cliche ridden science fiction , fantasy and horror novels? :D

And for the record , I don't mind cliches and tropes as long as the book is a good one. :cool:
 
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I just can't find the this book, and I looked all over the web for it. :unsure: Is it science fiction , fantasy or horror? :(
Amazingly

 

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Cyberpunk street samurai.

Metal bikini Sword & Sorcery.

Blood and Guts Dark Fantasy.

Alternative World War II with magic.

National Stereotypes (e.g. Yakuza, Russian Mafia, Mexican Drug dealers, scots wearing kilt, etc).
 

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Cyberpunk street samurai.

Metal bikini Sword & Sorcery.

Blood and Guts Dark Fantasy.

Alternative World War II with magic.

National Stereotypes (e.g. Yakuza, Russian Mafia, Mexican Drug dealers, scots wearing kilt, etc).
metal bikini sword sorcery? isn't that sonja the red and conan?
 

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I know this is fighting words to some but:

I found much of Neuromancer as echoing ideas developed by PK Dick and Samuel Delany was not nearly as groundbreaking as portrayed.

I thought Jeff Noon, KW Jeter, Joan Vinge, and others came up with more new and interesting ideas.
 

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I know this is fighting words to some but:

I found much of Neuromancer as echoing ideas developed by PK Dick and Samuel Delany was not nearly as groundbreaking as portrayed.

I thought Jeff Noon, KW Jeter, Joan Vinge, and others came up with more new and interesting ideas.

Indeed.
 

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I know this is fighting words to some but:

I found much of Neuromancer as echoing ideas developed by PK Dick and Samuel Delany was not nearly as groundbreaking as portrayed.

I thought Jeff Noon, KW Jeter, Joan Vinge, and others came up with more new and interesting ideas.
There is a provenance, as with almost everything.
Gibson was clearly influenced by Bester, Dick et al.
Noon’s Vurt (one of my favourite books) was published nearly 10 years after Neuromancer, and seemed to take some of the ideas therein and fuse them with Madchester oddness.
I dont think any of these would have been the same without their ancestors, but that does not intrinsically diminish them.
Neuromancer took a fresh turn, and was very timely. Great book imho even if not Gibson’s best.
 
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