Maybe I missed something, but I don't understand why John was so hellbent on suicide. Plans continued for ending Ginny's reign of terror, which meant he could have been reunited with his love when all the dust had settled.
"We talked about what the cost would be of what Virginia was doing to everyone, and how they were going to fight back. And it is looking at all the characters in John Dorie's orbit, and thinking about how they'll move forward, and what it will do to them," said Chambliss. "And ultimately it comes down to the fact that we have to remind ourselves we can't be precious about any of these characters, and we have to do what is going to continue to evolve the show, and continue to push the show in new directions, push all the remaining characters in new directions."
The showrunners, who took over Fear from co-creator Dave Erickson with Season 4, created the John Dorie character with Dillahunt in mind.
"John Dorie is one of our favorite characters, he's so much fun to write because he was kind of a beacon of hope in the apocalypse, and he was so specific in his characterization," Chambliss said. "And Garret just did such an incredible job bringing him to life that it was one of those realizations you have where you're just like, 'No, why does this have to all fall into place this way?' I think as writers, we go through a mourning in the same way the characters do, and the same ways as hopefully the audience will."
When the gunned down John washes up on the shore of his cabin — tragically mirroring his first meeting with June — John Dorie has reanimated as a walker that must be put down by his wife.
"We wanted to break people's hearts, and we wanted to make it feel as though he might just be able to come out of this," Goldberg said, "so that when he doesn't, and June is faced with the unthinkable of seeing the person she loves as a walker on the shores of the cabin, it was just, I mean, honestly it felt like the most heartbreaking ending imaginable for both of those characters."
Like the Season 4 death of Nick Clark (Frank Dillane), which came about when Dillane asked for his character to be killed off, Dillahunt approached showrunners Andrew Chambliss and Ian Goldberg about Dorie's demise:
"I don't remember exactly when, but [John's death is] something we'd been talking about since Season 5. And then we had a lot of conversations between 5 and 6 about how John would exit," Dillahunt told Entertainment Weekly. "And they came up with this great idea — great, and tragic, and wonderful, and believable in this world for how to get him off the show. And, at the same time, propel the story forward."
Dillahunt went on to explain Dorie's death was part personal request to move on, part creative story decision.
"Well, I don't think it's a secret or anything. It's a little bit of both of those things. I loved my time on this show and will always cherish it," he said. "I get a little antsy after a while, and I'm not a kid anymore, and I have some things I wanted to do. And I'm just fortunate it worked out."
He added: "I can't imagine what goes into logistically planning these series. There are so many moving parts, there are so many people involved. It's a feat of almost engineering for these showrunners, and [Walking Dead chief content officer Scott M. Gimple], and the writers to navigate all the obstacles in general, putting a TV show on, let alone the needs of their actors. I just feel very fortunate that they were willing to hear it, and consider it, and then come up with a great idea that made everybody happy."
"The Door," which is now the midseason premiere ending an almost five-month hiatus, was planned to be the midseason finale before the episode was delayed when production was halted by the coronavirus pandemic. That meant keeping Dorie's — and Dillahunt's — exit a secret that much longer.
"It was beautiful. It was sweet and sad, the bittersweet. And I'm excited for the future," Dillahunt said about his exit. "There's a lot of things I'll miss on the show. Obviously, a lot I won't. There's always a lot you won't, but I'm real excited for what the future holds, and I'm real happy. And I'm really excited to stay in touch with the fans. I'll see you on the circuit, and John exists, and Garret's still alive. John will always exist. And he was a great character. I was honored to play him."
That's very easy to say in hindsight. She has been a problem all along, and yet everyone treated her the same - they all thought what a poor kid, in the shadow of her evil sister. Even faced with the truth in black and white, Morgan still didn't know what to say to her or to do. It was as if his brain didn't compute, so typically Morgan, he suddenly forgot all about the hostages and immersed himself in trying to find John instead. That was always going to be pointless as John must have bled out shortly after getting onto the door. And I thought June was going to let him bite her, she took so long to get her knife out.I was thinking what an odd thing to say. But I assumed it was because Ginny had been sheltering her from everything. It never even crossed my mind that she might be the murderer, but in the hindsight it now makes sense.
John should have never had trusted her with the gun
That was always going to be pointless as John must have bled out shortly after getting onto the door.
And I thought June was going to let him bite her, she took so long to get her knife out.
Ah, art being forced to conform to life.As I understand it, but not going to pull a news piece out in the middle of the night, but the whole death thing was planned in last season. So maybe when they heard that Morgan was going to get killed, he walked into the AMC office and said, "Look..."
How about something like this:How would you have written it out?
Some writers wish to make drama's more like real life, and less unbelievable. I think some of TWD plot has been comic book stuff, so FTWD is made more realistic. This was the kind of embarrassing mistake someone could really make in real life. Unfortunately, real life is, in general, predictable and pedestrian. I want my drama to be dramatic. Realistic is quite often also boring. In these current pandemic times especially, I want to be whisked away into fantasy I could never experience. I don't want the trials and experiences to be limited to those I could live myself. I want heroes and villains, not children with issues.A hero's death in which he both saves his love and performs a public service -- more predictable but more satisfying.
Instead, John is killed by a child with his own gun. How embarrassing.
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