6.05: Fear The Walking Dead - Honey

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Dwight and Sherry team up with a mysterious faction of people to take down Ginny. But when Morgan unexpectedly offers to help, a power struggle ensues.
 

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Dee's and Sherry's reunion is just the couple was back in the comics. Sherry could never be honest as she was always wicked, and also Negan's 'wife' while Dwight had to watch from sidelines of her having fun and then coming back for 'love.'

Back in the days I had a girlfriend like her and she was wicked to the end. Even after we separeted she made sure I knew what she'd been up to, banging as many men as she could before she got pregnant. Even after the baby popped out, she kept cheating him and visa versa.

Thing is Dwight changed after he left Rickland, he was broken and still in love. The romantic thoughts were kind of dreams that he should not have entered in his mind. Realism should have kept him going instead of being like John. But I guess it's a Greek tragedy that Sherry is Dee's Helen.

She didn't tell him that she had found other people. Her defence was the classic 'I didn't think you...' line, which personally would have put me over the edge and I could not have ever trusted her. Then again she told Dwight to forget her and look elsewhere.

I know that she told Dwight, "If they got rid of her (Ginny) we can be together," but to me it's just another warning bell. Why she could say something else and actually convince Dee that they are already together and it's all that matters?

I could never trust her. And the fact is that even though she's part of the group of ex-rangers, it's all too dodgy. Too much revenge BS instead someone doing actual strategic thinking. Luckily Al still has some brains and I think she's not trusting anyone else than our group.

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The zombie-wagon. I loved that they knocked off the radio antenna and then made sure the driver emptied guns, before they finalised the plan. I doubt he'd had gone through defensive driver training, because his efforts were piss poor.

I loved that he got snatched by Morgan, but I don't understand how Morgan could have known that Dwight and Al were on the mission? He said that he's been keeping eye on the pair, but couldn't approach because reasons.

When they later questioned him, Morgan claimed that he'd been conveniently in the location, tracking someone. I suspect it had been them and his mission was the convince Sherry's group to jump on his bandwagon.

Funny thing is that Sherry brings the wrong out in Dee. She puts him over the edge and make him to do whatever she wants. But I find it strange that she had no idea what her husband had been up to under Negan's rule, even though they both escaped Saviours.

Why she would even question about Dee's will to do whatever is needed to get the job done? Does she not know her husband or is there holes in her memories?

Maybe love makes man weak. Maybe it works both ways, but in Dwight's booths, Sherry turning on him should have rang the alarms loudly. How can you ever trust her again?

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Bless him for coming in senses and admitting that he wanted to do whatever she wanted. It's just even though Dwight admitted I doubt it removed the purple glasses and there's going to be next time Sherry makes him puppy eyed again. We could call it as the Curse of Little Dee.

What is interesting is that we now know who Virginia is preparing to face with Strand's army. Her own rangers.

So the only way forward is to put Virginia in the kill-list and wait for right opportunity. Just like Morgan wanted, but instead of doing 'All-Out War' again, we get a plot. It didn't surprise me at all that Sherry went bananas on Dwight talking her down.

To me it's all part of the manipulation game and Dee should have known the signs, because he lived so long under Negan's rule. Funny thing is that he actually brought it up and said, "It's about Negan, isn't it?" and Sherry reply was "I wanted to tell you hundred times..."

She ended up telling the truth and admitting the whole thing just like my ex-girlfriend did. But instead of rubbing on his face, she was finally honest about being changed and being capable of doing wicked things.

Man, women so uncomfortable position, and we men allow it instead of understanding that there's more fishes in the ocean than the one. Al said it best, "Let her work her way back to you."

It might never happen, but it's the only way forward. Dwight is better than he used to be. I actually care for him and I wish him all the best.
 
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This episode could have been titled "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly."
It had a definite spaghetti western flavor to it. I found myself thinking "they've got to be kidding" watching closeups of snorting nostrils and dirt-scraping hooves, as the rag-tag group of silly-masked riders awaited the SWAT wagon arrival.
Then came the chase, in which the battle wagon could apparently muster no more speed than a Gunsmoke stage coach. I got a definite feeling of déjà vu as Dwight jumped on the vehicle, got inside and booted the driver out.
I've always considered Dwight to be an expendable character; and his wife, Sherry, even more so. I am surprised that he has gotten so much screen time. He must be drawing a smaller salary than the other actors.
While it was nice that Dwight has found his long-lost wife, I found it difficult to care. I also found her membership in the Outcast Club and plans to assassinate Ginny less than believable.
Morgan was again a disappointment here. The pacifist, turned killer, turned pacifist, turned killer, has again turned pacifist? Seems like it would be easier to take Ginny out than to free all of the innocents from her various communities.
Dwight is right to reject Morgan's new plan to bring everyone to a '"safe" place. Anyone who has watched this series knows that no such place exists in this reality.
 

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I thought this was the best episode for a while. It actually began to move the story forward, and I also thought it definitely had a 'western' feel.
I loved that they knocked off the radio antenna and then made sure the driver emptied guns, before they finalised the plan.
This episode could have been titled "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly."
It had a definite spaghetti western flavor to it. I found myself thinking "they've got to be kidding" watching closeups of snorting nostrils and dirt-scraping hooves, as the rag-tag group of silly-masked riders awaited the SWAT wagon arrival.
Then came the chase, in which the battle wagon could apparently muster no more speed than a Gunsmoke stage coach.
Well, you beat me to it. When the cowboys rode after the stagecoach I thought the same thing. Then they sit around a campfire drinking moonshine. All it needed was some plates of baked beans.
Morgan was again a disappointment here. The pacifist, turned killer, turned pacifist, turned killer, has again turned pacifist? Seems like it would be easier to take Ginny out than to free all of the innocents from her various communities.
I agree, they need to cut of the head off the Hydra and take down Ginny. Her deputies may try to take charge instead, some innocents will be killed, but there is no other way. However, their plan here was ill-thought out and poorly planned; Ginny didn't even come. If they had shot at the Rangers they would have failed. So, Morgan just happened to be right today. It cannot be put off forever. His 'promised land' is not safe while Ginny still rules. The best plan would be to work from the inside as well as out, so that an attack and an insurrection happen together. That is going to be hard because the people under Ginny's control seem to have reached the third stage of the three psychological reactions experienced by all inmates, that of disillusionment, which is the discovery that suffering does not end, and that the longed-for happiness will never come.
 

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The best plan would be to work from the inside as well as out, so that an attack and an insurrection happen together. That is going to be hard because the people under Ginny's control seem to have reached the third stage of the three psychological reactions experienced by all inmates, that of disillusionment, which is the discovery that suffering does not end, and that the longed-for happiness will never come.

Well yeah, if the people and writers would be up for coup then the orange revolution would be something unseen in the ... I cannot think any series that would have replicated some of the recent year revolutions. Ukrainian one is the prime example of the information warfare and obfuscation, with the green little men suddenly coming out and taking over key positions.

You would have to go super violent and if they would be super smart, they would involve a horde on solving the Ginny problem. Time and again we have seen that they're the big hammer and if they get Ginny cornered, nobody else has to lose their lives as the horde will eat them.

But I don't think Strand would have balls to come up with the plan. The only one I'd trust to come up with it is Daniel. I also think a lot of Ginny's rangers would be ready to flip, leaving only a small number to be dealt with by Morgan's conspirators.

Nevertheless, I don't think that'll ever happen, as the season has been shot already and the episodes are going through the final phases.
 

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Morgan isn't going to let Virginia live, he wants his group away from her clutches before he kills her. If Sherrie's group fail in killing her all it does is alert her. Morgan doesn't want a long drawn out war, he knows what that does.
When Morgan decides to take her out, he'll do it when there is less risk to others.
Sherrie sees taking Virginia out as her redemption for not taking out Negan, doesn't work that way and in her mind Virginia is Negan, her way will likely get everyone killed.
 

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When Morgan decides to take her out, he'll do it when there is less risk to others.
We'll have to see how Morgan can draw Ginny out to somewhere he can kill her without risk to the others. If she wouldn't come to see the new group of 100 people they claimed there was on the radio, then it will need to be something very special that gets her alone. She is cleverer than Negan, and she is always well protected. If Morgan has a plan, he is keeping it to himself. I just hope it isn't a long drawn out plan either, as those parts of the Negan and the Alpha stories were the most tedious on TWD. FTWD has always been much more fast moving.
 

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Coming to this nearly a year after you guys. Now hit Amazon Prime.

It’s often discussed on here, when things don’t make sense, which is surreal given the fantastical subject matter. But I always agree it’s those normal things not making sense that are the most frustrating.

To my point. In this episode (at the end) and the last one, we see people who have been ’existing’ for I don’t know how many years now, on one floor of an office block?! All, it seems, with the same colleagues they were with when it all kicked off. Some appear to still be in their office clothes from day one, as they get off the truck. Like they have been frozen in time.
I enjoy post apocalyptic stuff, and most enjoy it just after the fall. I preferred the start of FTWD than I did TWD for this reason. Maybe the writers are the same. It seems they struggle with the continuity of the passage of time in both series.
 

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