Project Blue Book

[Al Jackson]

Why?

Donald Keyhoe gets a gun stuck in his mouth ! That happened really?!!!!!!

 

[ctg]

Donald Keyhoe gets a gun stuck in his mouth ! That happened really?!!!!!!

Yeah, why wouldn't it? What is your point? The man was believer, but not as wimpy as some. There has many other from the military that shared the point-of-view and they've been threatened throughout the modern time about speaking certain things.

Why do you think there are so many death-bed confessions?

 

[Al Jackson]

Yeah, why wouldn't it? What is your point? The man was believer, but not as wimpy as some. There has many other from the military that shared the point-of-view and they've been threatened throughout the modern time about speaking certain things.

Why do you think there are so many death-bed confessions?

Are you saying that really happened?

 

[ctg]

Are you saying that really happened?

I find the scenario very plausible and I certainly don't feel that I need to find the facts, when you've presented nothing. I've also watched a number of death-bed confessions to know that sort of thing happened.

 

[Al Jackson]

I find the scenario very plausible and I certainly don't feel that I need to find the facts, when you've presented nothing. I've also watched a number of death-bed confessions to know that sort of thing happened.

Amazing!!

 

[Cathbad]

What Russian agents? There was no Russia back in 1950's. Only Soviet Union. What are you talking about?

Countries That Made Up the Former USSR

Of the fifteen constituent republics of the USSR, three of these countries declared and were granted independence a few months preceding the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. The remaining twelve did not become independent until the USSR fell completely on December 26, 1991.

• Armenia
• Azerbaijan
• Belarus
• Estonia - Granted independence in September 1991 and is not a member of the CIS.
• Georgia - Withdrew of the CIS in May 2005.
• Kazakhstan
• Kyrgyzstan
• Latvia - Granted independence in September 1991 and is not a member of the CIS.
• Lithuania - Granted independence in September 1991 and is not a member of the CIS.
• Moldova - Formerly known as Moldavia.
• Russia
• Tajikistan
• Turkmenistan - Associate member of the CIS.
• Ukraine Participating member of the CIS.
• Uzbekistan

Just sayin.

 

[Anthoney]

To sort of quote George Orwell, Russia was always first among equals in the USSR.

 

[Droflet]

That's it for me. Saw the latest ep and there's just nothing really happening. So I'm out.

 

[ctg]

Spoiler: S01E04 - Project Paper Clip

This is a wiki entry:

Operation Paperclip

was a secret program of the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) largely carried out by Special Agents of Army CIC, in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians, such as Wernher von Braun and his V-2 rocket team, were taken from Germany to America for U.S. government employment, primarily between 1945 and 1959. Many were former members, and some were former leaders, of the Nazi Party.[1][2]

The primary purpose for Operation Paperclip was U.S. military advantage in the Soviet–American Cold War, and the Space Race. The Soviet Union were more aggressive in forcibly recruiting more than 2,200 German specialists—a total of more than 6,000 people including family members—with Operation Osoaviakhim during one night on October 22, 1946.[3]

The Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) established the first secret recruitment program, called Operation Overcast, on July 20, 1945, initially "to assist in shortening the Japanese war and to aid our postwar military research".[4] The term "Overcast" was the name first given by the German scientists' family members for the housing camp where they were held in Bavaria.[5] In late summer 1945, the JCS established the JIOA, a subcommittee of the Joint Intelligence Community, to directly oversee Operation Overcast and later Operation Paperclip.[6] The JIOA representatives included the army's director of intelligence, the chief of naval intelligence, the assistant chief of Air Staff-2 (air force intelligence), and a representative from the State Department.[7] In November 1945, Operation Overcast was renamed Operation Paperclip by Ordnance Corps (United States Army) officers, who would attach a paperclip to the folders of those rocket experts whom they wished to employ in America.[5]

In a secret directive circulated on September 3, 1946, President Truman officially approved Operation Paperclip and expanded it to include one thousand German scientists under "temporary, limited military custody"

Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

It surprised me to learn that most of the people knew nothing about the operation until much, much later, when VanBraun was brought on the tellie to answer on the question in regards of the Moon Rocket. Thing is, US so called won the war and they went on culturally toting it around as if it was everything. But at the same time they said nothing to the public that they'd captured German scientists, or "saved them from Soviets" AKA "Russians."

But in regards of the UFOs this goes way deeper and you'll soon arrive to the section that claims German's developed a UFO as a black program during the war. You can also find spy footage that shows them experimenting with a saucer type.

If you follow down that track you also learn that Germany was super interested about the Antartica and that they a submarine base hidden under the ice. According to the history, the US launched a full fleet expedition in the area after the war, and following the trail of nazi's living in the South America. That expedition was called operation Highjump and the stories around it are a wee bit of crazy as you can see from this compilation video.

Spoiler

He went on to claim to the public that ",the next enemy we'll face is going to be able to fly from pole-to-pole in matter of moments." He and some expedition members described that fast-movers decimated the US air power as they emerged from holes in the glacier, seemingly coming from underground.

Although this happened at 46 - 47, the claim goes that at the end result of numerous saucer sightings, there was a demonstration at above Washington DC at 1952. The claim goes that this was done by the Nazi fleet, but if you go ask Pentagon about it, they don't know the answer.

Dr Hynek surely was more perplexed by his sighting then his son playing hide-and-seek in the fallout shelter. It was as if he was as captured as certain electrician during the course of Close Encounters of Third Kind.

I wouldn't blame him as if you check out the news papers during that time, you'll see that saucers and UFO's were popping in the headlines more often than these days. In our time, we mostly ignore them as they seem to be part of the normality and usually they are explainable.

Except the cases that cannot, like Hynek's sighting and the cattle mutilation case at the form. The farmer described that "the thing just hovered there" and "it killed 20 cows." It wasn't a surprise that these two fellows were there.

It's just if the farmer described the cigar shaped craft hovering over the farm, it could not have been a chemical rocket, and modern people would have straight away questioned Cpt Quinn's motivation on the investigation. Even Elon Musk's rockets don't hover, they come down controllably and indefinitely.

There would not have been a need to crash the Nellis AFB gates, if he'd realised what a fool he were. But that's the thing, back in those days, most of the people would not have seen the space rockets as we have. They would not have had the knowledge. But we do. So in atypical fashion, through the jail to not even shake hands with the great Von Braun, because America won the war.

Man, I laughed out loud. So funny.

I laughed louder when Quinn revealed he'd been suspended. Oh man ...

Then Mrs Hynek feel in the honey trap. If her friend is russian agent, she dropped thing without ever realising that she'd compromised the National Security. To be honest I don't know what would I have thought in Susie's shoes, but I do know that USSR and Russia has taken a great interest in the subject, and more so in the USOs - Unknown Submerged Objects.

USAF might have stopped investigating, but even today, if you're in the Navy, you are ordered to report everything. Including UFOs and USOs. God help you if you miss the report. Officially however, nothing ever happens at sea.

The interesting bit is that by following Mrs Hynek Susie was able to infiltrate the Wright Patterson AFB. If you'll know the base, you also know that they house Building 18 connected through underground to Hanger 23 AKA The Foreign Material Exploitation engineering division. Some could call it as the heart centre of the US military investigations. Also as a place where they first time brought the Roswell crash vehicle.

What a lovely grass circle. I can try to explain how they did it, but back in the 1951-52, no way. I also would wonder why you'd do it on a grass and not in the crop field. The intriguing detail about these formations is that they go back in centuries and they have also been found on snow.

"That's not human, right?" Captain Quinn, if you had a brain, you'd realised you'd been lied. It is also not a resus monkey. I loved that at the end, they pulled the Aero (saucer) from the hangar and strapped an unwilling test pilot in it, before they send it away in front of General Harding's eyes.

But Aero isn't same as the vehicle that disappeared at the end. It's just a petrol engine powered supersized drone.

 

[REBerg]

Spoiler

So, was that the Timeless mothership or lifeboat that dematerialized in the end?

This show is more science fiction than history. While the objective of the real Project Blue Book may have been to explain each case in the most mundane way possible, the objective of the series is to offer the most fantastic explanation.
I'm OK with that.

 

[ctg]

While the objective of the real Project Blue Book may have been to explain each case in the most mundane way possible, the objective of the series is to offer the most fantastic explanation.

Yeah, I agree. But when you have the unexplainable, soon the fantasy becomes the reality. The History Channel took a big move by doing this and not focusing on one case, but mixing quickly in several things. Some that has been steady supply for the SF and the pulp fiction for ages.

They could had done something else, instead of venturing into this muddled pie. It is highly ambitious to put this out and do it with the style. To most of us these cases are unknown, and you'll had to do research into the cases, otherwise you'll have to suspend your disbelief. Not that you'll have to do it anyways, because of the association with the UFOs.

 

[Al Jackson]

Man! This show is great!
I mean von Braun with a what? Field Effect / Hover Craft!
Crashing the gates at Red Stone Arsenal!
Soviet agents doing , god knows what!
A gray in a tank!
Plus they stuck a gun in Donald Keyhoe mouth!
The X files never got this crazy!
Love it!
Where to next? The Moon!

 

[Al Jackson]

It is said that Christopher Columbus did not discover America first , he discovered it Best!
Welp the guy on the right is Ray Palmer who discovered Flying Saucers Best!
(the other guy is Richard Shaver who Palmer also made famous.)
Thinking Ray Palmer should turn up on the Project Blue Book series.

 

[Al Jackson]

Ray Palmer the man who invented flying saucers.


Ray Palmer, the man who invented flying saucers – – by John A. Keel

 

[Anthoney]

Are we sure he's not an alien? I think he's an alien.

 

[Al Jackson]

Are we sure he's not an alien? I think he's an alien.

Ray was in an auto accident at the age of 7 , operation on his back was botched and left him 4 ft tall with a hunched back.
He as an odd man.

 

[clovis-man]

I've given up trying to ascribe any factual basis to the "stories" of this series. That said, I'll probably watch it just for entertainment. At least until it gets too ridiculous.

 

[ctg]

At least until it gets too ridiculous.

What do you mean?

 

[ctg]

Spoiler: S01E05 - Foo Fighters

I guess it has now become a tradition for me to do a abit research on the subject. Here's a thing, about a year ago the tic-tac UFOs came out, when the Pentagon released two incident videos to the public and allowed them to know about the Advanced Ariel Threat Phenomenom.

Here's an explanation to those two videos, told by the strike commander.

To us, those are equivalent to modern day Foo Fighters. Back in the forties they were different,

A lot of people believed that they were part of the German Wonder Weapons program. Who knows maybe they were always those Tic-Tacs. Who they belong to, we don't know. The US and Russia might have a clue, but they are not telling that to us.

About the episode, it surprised me that the Air Force took Mrs Hynek's night encounter so seriously that they sent two general in Hynek's home to talk about the matter. It is like first time in the history when two Generals are needed to talk about the civil law enforcement issue.

Why is then Cpt Quinn ended up being the one to investigate Susie's case? More so, he seemingly couldn't figure out that Susie were listening her target via radio as he fell straight to her excuse. It is as if he doesn't have all the gears in place or then the USAF didn't wanted the target to know that they know, as it should be in the counter-espionage cases.

The idea behind that is the target will give you more information longer they remain operational, and thus allow you to catch the whole gang behind the operation. The truth is, they should had supported Alan and handed him everything he needs to do the investigation. Not that he was concerned about Mimi's safety as he went straight back to investigate the numbers lead that made him to discovery photos.

This is not the first time, as the man who took the shot for the I Want To Believe poster, also took some photos from celestial objects when alledgely took a trip to outer space. It's just in 1951 nobody knew what Earth would look from Outer Space.

It was a bigger surprise that Hynek's investigation lead straight back to Mimi's incident. I guess he's really concerned but not concerned enough to stay home to make sure Fuller's not going come back to mess with the wife.

Why is that Mimi never told Alan that Fuller wanted to have a word?

For a man that USAF has discharged as crazy, Randall Kavanaugh seemed to have full faculties. He might have become obsessed with the UFOs, but that could happen to anyone who deals with the unexplainable.

When Hynek asked: "Do you know Fuller?" Randall asked, who and got explanation back, "He had similar experiences," without explaining that he'd been taken. The strange thing is that none of the Foo Fighter incidents talks about the abduction cases, and MJ12 couldn't draw a conclusion on Fuller's escape to being an abduction victim.

If you look into those cases, you'll soon find the victims talking that they have been taken from places that has been locked, and that aliens seemingly be able to materialise inside those places to take their victims. Some even claim they can phase through solid matter.

Thing is from very first episode they have been hinting about abductions. Back in the 1951 nobody had a word for those things, and yet, all the men who had seen the Foo Fighters hinted about the same thing. Like Fuller some of the people have tried escaping, even fighting them, but as it was in the Spielberg's Taken, there is nothing that you can do.

Hynek's explanation to the Foo Fighter club members is very believable, and it is most likely the case in many things that people see similar situations, but it does not explain the Foo Fighter phenomenon pictures that you'll see in the second video.

It's crazy to think that Fuller's chase then ended up with self immolation. And that it happened after he saw one of Hynek's strange symbols, he'd received from the MiB. But in the real life, that is what some people have done to stop them from taking them again.

 

[REBerg]

Spoiler

Why were the generals so intent on neutralizing Fuller? Did they not realize that he was not the only pilot out there who had a story to tell?
Was Fuller special? In addition to the ability to tune into radio waves apparently common to all alien-altered members of the Foo Fighters Club, Fuller could disappear in a flash from the top of a radio tower, start a car with a hand wave and stand motionless while he burned to death. Alien superpowers?
I'm ready for an alien abduction upgrade; but please, no probing!