9.04: The Walking Dead - The Obliged

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Trash lady and a zombie bride. (Photo by Jackson Lee Davis/AMC)

Rick's vision of a civilized future is threatened by a sudden reckoning with past sins that remain unavenged and unforgiven.
 

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Michonne, let's of steam by going out alone at night to kill walkers, stupid or brave I'm not sure, she is also letting Negan get in her head.
I really liked the Daryl and Rick interaction, deep down Rick knows keeping Negan alive isn't the best decision he's ever made but he can't admit it if he does he thinks Its betraying Carl, he doesn't see he risks losing Carol, Daryl and Maggie the people in this world who mean the most to him.

Academic now because next week is his last episode.

The remaining saviours need to be dealt with, not sure how it can be done either disperse them amongst the other groups or isolate their settlement, probably not possible.

Anne is a loose cannon and will likely bring the next threat.
 

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What was Anne trying to accomplish by threatening Gabriel with Dolly Walker?
She said that he was her ticket out, yet she left him behind so she could move faster. Is she out hunting for the fabled "A"?
Looks like Rick may be going out, not with a bang, but a whimper. That would be a sad way for the series central character to exit. I expected his mount to panic long before it did.
 

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If this is the last TWD season and AMC decides to close the shop, I have to say that the new show runner Angela Kang has done a phenomenal job on changing the tone on whole series. It mostly feels like it's back in the place, before the evil reared its head and brough out the Negan. In places, like with Michonne's fights with the dead, it even felt genuinely horrifying, which is something that The Walking Dead hasn't reached for a long time, even though it's sister series Fear has achieved a number of times.

If you take that out, then TWD has transformed to a true farming fantasy in a post-apocalyptic world. And the drama with the survivors is its salt, instead of everyone being scared of the dead. Someone could call it a farming simulation, but unlike in the other one thrillers, like for example History Channel's Vikings, there really is trouble on trying to survive to another day. In the long run, I don't see anyone of them living to a be an old person.

Instead, it's more likely that you end up being shot, stabbed or clubbed to death, and rarely ending up as a zombie food. The one lucky thing that TWD has over Fear is that Ricknation has always been established, while Morgan nation is still building its bases ... and that brewery. That particular MacGuffin really transformed the series as it gave the ember everyone can blow into and relate as something that a growing humanity needs to restart its operation.

In the Walking Dead, the Sanctuary Bridge was something they all needed to band together, but instead of being the unifying force, it seems to dividing the people as much as Negan does. Even the forces of nature seems to be fighting against it. What bothers me is that they keep talking about having problems on making food for everyone, while they keep showing big portions for everyone, including Negan.

There is no hunger, no starvation, no real desperation in the Ricknation. Instead it's the normal everyday bullsh** of everyone missing yesterday's world McD's and Starbuck coffee. But it makes me wonder that would some of the people trade places with the characters in the Kirkman's universe, just so that they could get out from this hectic world, and not live by its rules.

I really liked the Daryl and Rick interaction, deep down Rick knows keeping Negan alive isn't the best decision he's ever made but he can't admit it if he does he thinks Its betraying Carl, he doesn't see he risks losing Carol, Daryl and Maggie the people in this world who mean the most to him.
Yeah. It troubles me that they need to keep Negan alive, as if it would give them some sort of moral high ground, instead of double tapping and ditching the body for the crows. But it also troubles me that Daryl saw Rick as someone, who is against them instead embracing him as the father of their nation. It is as if he cannot feel remorse or love over the hate that he has for Rick saving the bad man's life.

In a way Daryl hasn't grown out from the character he was when his brother Merle was alive. Back in the season 2, he mocked our ruffian for never growing up, never being able to live like one of Rick's people. And even today that same person was present at the bottom of the pit, blaming Rick for all sh!t he has done.

The remaining saviours need to be dealt with, not sure how it can be done either disperse them amongst the other groups or isolate their settlement, probably not possible.
If I'm reading this right, there will be a mass slaughter at some point, and the Saviours will be melt into the other communities. The easiest way would be by allowing some of them to flee, to go out on their own, while the rest gets killed or melted among the others.

Although there is one way to fix it, and that is if Michonne manages to make the Laws for the Ricknation, and then everyone accepting them. When Negan was in the charge, his words were the rule. With Rick, nobody is listening the warhero and his wishes.

What was Anne trying to accomplish by threatening Gabriel with Dolly Walker?

She said that he was her ticket out, yet she left him behind so she could move faster. Is she out hunting for the fabled "A"?
She has lost her marbles and she is in a mission for finding the unicorn, the immune person, so that the helicopter people can feel safe to come out from their underground shelters. The only problem she has is that Gabriel is a trained preacher, and he knows how press those buttons to make others to feel guilty. He ain't giving hope to anyone.

Looks like Rick may be going out, not with a bang, but a whimper. That would be a sad way for the series central character to exit. I expected his mount to panic long before it did.
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A good episode blighted by more bad decisions from the lead characters. Maggie's decision to go off half cocked after Negan, leads to Rick leaving the camp to what is his doom.

Carol not taking out the Saviours with immediate effect and engaging in a futile conversation looks like it is going to lead to undue deaths.

And it goes back to Rick's ultimate decision to keep Negan alive...how any of these people are still breathing is beyond belief. Good riddance to the lot of them once the series is cancelled at the end of this season. Although I will miss my weekly bemusement at the shortcomings of this particular group of script writers.
 

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A good episode blighted by more bad decisions from the lead characters. Maggie's decision to go off half cocked after Negan, leads to Rick leaving the camp to what is his doom.

Carol not taking out the Saviours with immediate effect and engaging in a futile conversation looks like it is going to lead to undue deaths.

And it goes back to Rick's ultimate decision to keep Negan alive...how any of these people are still breathing is beyond belief. Good riddance to the lot of them once the series is cancelled at the end of this season. Although I will miss my weekly bemusement at the shortcomings of this particular group of script writers.[/QUOTE

I have been hating the script writers this season, I have not wanted to say anything because my posts seem so negative all the time. I do love the show, But, Growing up in the Shenandoah Valley and still living in rural Va parts of the show I have grown to hate. I can not get past the plow, plows like that are all over the place you would not have to go to dc to get one. People use them as yard art. You see them at flea markets and antique shops all the time no need to go to DC to get one. What kills me the most about the plow is how they have to lower it down like it is so heavy and then two men throw it in the back of a wagon like it was nothing. Why did they need the boat? Canoes are here, there, every where. I even have a canoe and two kayaks. What is up with that tractor. No way you could ride A horse into dc from a rural place into dc and back out in one day.
 

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One more thing, why would they not hook up a pulley and the horses to the logs?
 

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But, Growing up in the Shenandoah Valley and still living in rural Va parts of the show I have grown to hate. I can not get past the plow, plows like that are all over the place you would not have to go to dc to get one. People use them as yard art. You see them at flea markets and antique shops all the time no need to go to DC to get one. What kills me the most about the plow is how they have to lower it down like it is so heavy and then two men throw it in the back of a wagon like it was nothing. Why did they need the boat? Canoes are here, there, every where. I even have a canoe and two kayaks. What is up with that tractor. No way you could ride A horse into dc from a rural place into dc and back out in one day.

One more thing, why would they not hook up a pulley and the horses to the logs?
The plow, the canoe and the tractor are all red herrings. The producers are trying to their best to give us thing that builds the world, even though they are not addressing the fact that there are far better methods and less dangerous places, where they could acquire such items. The producers are concentrating on bringing in the Whisperer's to a seemingly blissful happiness that should be wafting over the Ricknation.

You should also note that these few early episodes also mark the time when Rick and Maggie disappears from the show. Rick, because Andrew wanted to quit and Maggie, because AMC was struggling to keep her in the show after they shelled Mr Reebus 20 M dollars to take the leading male role in the show.

When the Whisperers arrive and I assume they're going to make an appearance in the next episode, things are going to turn somewhat better as TWD returns back to its horrific roots. What is interesting is that Fear went through a similar stretch. The first half of the season was terrible, and to be honest, quite a mess, while the second half marked best of times for the show.

The question is will they be able to pull it back and make the show whole again?

The pulley and horse question, the answer is, they don't consult the real people. They don't show anything to the critics because they fear leaks.
 

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Rick dying on a pole isn't quite what I expected but I can't see him being killed in the first few seconds of next episode. I hope if he isn't rescued it isn't a drawn out death like Carl's. I have a feeling it may be like Glenn's in that he is saved or escapes but then suddenly is taken out another way. Perhaps by one of the former "saviours".

What was Rick trying to achieve by the way? Pied piper leading zombies away from the bridge?

As for the show being cancelled... are you all out of your minds? :D I would be shocked if this doesn't run till at least season 12 even with viewership decline. AMC only has a few shows bringing in a lot of viewers and if they are talking about the Walking dead world running 10 years then I don't see the main show being cut off quickly. Salaries will go up for big names but not many of the surviving cast are really long term. Plus they haven't caught up with the comics which makes the writing easier than for new shows.
 
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What was Rick trying to achieve by the way? Pied piper leading zombies away from the bridge?
I think he was having a blond moment. He thought he would be able to run away from the horde and lead them away from the Ricknation. Honestly, if the horse would have reared, he could have turned around and go through the ruins as that was the only direction that was free.

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Is the spot where he is impaled actually part of the building construction wreckage? Something poetic about that being his demise.
Daryl previously blamed himself for Glenn's death. Another one to add to the list perhaps.
 

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Is the spot where he is impaled actually part of the building construction wreckage? Something poetic about that being his demise.
I think it was featured in the last season or in one before that, as a building that they never raided. It might have been taken down between the seasons. I'm pretty certain I've seen that cross roads before, but I'm not prepared to go back and watch 32 episodes to find out for certain.
 
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