Black Panther (2018)

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#1
just watched Black Panther... it is a cracking movie - unlike most comic adaps there is no "danger to the world" and city levelling fights (and it's all the better for it!). Some of the SFX are a little shonky but overall I loved it!

As an aside, being (mainly) white it is interesting to see an action/super hero movie where the big names are predominantly black (and this does not detract from the film one iota, quite the opposite in-fact).
 

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My standard gripes about Hollywood blockbuster action films aside, I thought it was really good. I did have one big gripe though

Splitting villain time between that Seth Efrikan dude and Killmonger didn't work. Ulysses Klaw was far more entertaining character; Killmonger was a one note motif of the bad thing to beat down. Not sure how I'd fix it, but it needed fixing.
 

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I wasn't too impressed. I never really got into it and parts seemed banal or amateurish - the Stan Lee cameo wasn't even any good (after some great ones recently). It reminded me of Star Wars: Force Awakens in that sense - a lot of promise but not quite up to standard in some aspects.

Andy Serkis was the highlight, and plenty of the characters seemed more interesting/intriguing than T'Challa, such as Ayo and T'Challa's sister (though that Bond-Q-style scene was odd - maybe an example where they should have done something different rather than the Q-clone).

Although we saw lots of traditional actions and ceremonies I never felt immersed in the world. From recent memory Coco, Tokyo Godfathers, Avatar, Thor 3 and even Spectre (even though the Day of the Dead parade was made up) put me straight into a world, whether it was realistic or not. Saying that, I did like some of the world-building.

Some things seemed pointless, like
why did Killmonger rescue Klaue then soon go on to kill him? He also killed his girlfriend (was she his girlfriend?) when there was no motivation or need.

The brother betrayal seemed really off. And instant civil war - how readily the Wakandans killed their own people. Then Black Panther was going to heal Killmonger after killing a load of his own people without a thought?

I sat through it moderately-entertained, but it didn't massively move me or make me leave the cinema with any strong emotion. It's not like I'm bored of superhero films - I enjoyed Wonder Woman and Thor Ragnarok. 6.5/10 and I can't decide whether to round that up or drop it down for IMDB purposes!
 

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Black Panther was lacking in so many ways. I don't know the comics but nothing onscreen was intriguing. I sighed heavily in practically every scene. I didn't "see" Wakanda, I just heard about it. And it seemed too perfect, too good to be true or intriguing. Killmonger didn't seem like a great threat either. On his end, there was a lot of telling going on but not enough showing. His agents were all over the world waiting for his command to act on his behalf? I would have told the story of Black Panther quite differently. The set up for Killmonger could have been more effective to make him seem like an actual threat.

-When Black Panther and crew first fly into Wakanda, he should have gotten a call explaining that there was upheaval throughout the country. Someone somewhere was causing political unrest and those close to Black Panther were choosing sides. Who can he trust? THE COUNTRY IS ON THE BRINK OF WAR AND IT'S UP TO T'CHALLA TO SAVE IT. That's the story.

Anyway, there are falling outs all around the king but at least one person returns to him and gains his forgiveness.

Then it's revealed that there is someone behind all of this who wants the king's attention but this person, to taunt the king, remains unseen and unheard. Who is this person and why is he or she doing this? Is it actually someone close to him?

The military heads are overthrown. The king is overwhelmed because he's got other fish to fry. Then there's his first fight without his powers which he wins. However, the outcome of this fight divides the country even more. Victory? Eh.

Yet another devastation takes place and an entire city is destroyed, but from it comes a few survivors. One is an old man who tells the king and at least one other person the story of an orphaned boy. However, the audience sees the story being told through the king's eyes and he sees the story told set somewhere in Wakanda at an undisclosed time and in an undisclosed location. Specifics aren't given at first but the old man reveals all, answering the king's questions about the boy. Killmonger's bodywork should be mentioned about his kills. This is the moment the king has all of his questions answered about what's going on and why. This person who has been taunting him psychologically this whole time is a family member; his cousin, the one people have been referring to as Killmonger.

This shocks the king but the old man explains further who the players in the story were. The old man states plainly what his cousin wants; he wants revenge first and foremost. He wants the throne. Then, he wants to help his brothers and sisters around the world rise up and realize their full potential with the help of Vibranium. And then, we hear the king say, having learned the reason behind all of this devastation and tormenting, "my own cousin has done this to me. My own blood has betrayed me but I haven't even met him."

It should turn out that Killmonger managed to infiltrate Wakanda by using spies like Nakia. Spies were used to cause the upheaval and chaos and through them, Killmonger was able to get a visual lay of the land of Wakanda. But Killmonger during that time was on the outside preparing his agents.

In a lengthy flashback, we see Killmonger's actual story being told just before he himself enters Wakanda. But he, at first, should seem like just some guy off the street. But we seem him descend into his hideout where it's revealed he's feared by his followers on the outside. Then he should go shirtless in a room and we see him look at himself in the mirror and run a hand over his chest as a way to remind himself of why he's killed so many. We're reminded that this is the boy from the old man's story and that he's a bad guy with good intentions. We should hear him tell his comrades he's going to his real home now and that he needs them to be just as loyal in his absence as when he's present.-

To me, this would be a lot more interesting than what we got. We'd know who Killmonger is and what his motivations are before we even meet him. I give the film 2.5 of 5 stars. The story is so run of the mill and all of the characters are likable. The acting wasn't great either. To me, the world building lacked depth and as someone not familiar with the comics, the traditions of Wakanda seemed shallow lacked intrigue.
 

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I just watched this and thought it was probably the best superhero movie i've seen. I am not a big fan of the superhero movies outside of Deadpool, but I really enjoyed it. Killlmonger made sense as a villain and the story for the conflict was presented well early on.

@AlexH
why did Killmonger rescue Klaue then soon go on to kill him?
I think the whole point of that act was to bring his body to Wakanda, who had been thier #1 enemy. He did something T'Challa and his father was never able to do. So, basically, instant credibility.

And instant civil war - how readily the Wakandans killed their own people.
I can almost see this as an issue, but then again, there was already unrest between some of the nations against T'Challa and his father. One of my mid-movie assumptions was that W'Kabi was going to do some sort of coup. So when Killmonger beat T'Challa in ritual combat, it made sense, which opened the door for those that support the new king vs the loyalists.
 

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I just watched this and thought it was probably the best superhero movie i've seen. I am not a big fan of the superhero movies outside of Deadpool, but I really enjoyed it. Killlmonger made sense as a villain and the story for the conflict was presented well early on.

@AlexH
I think the whole point of that act was to bring his body to Wakanda, who had been thier #1 enemy. He did something T'Challa and his father was never able to do. So, basically, instant credibility.



I can almost see this as an issue, but then again, there was already unrest between some of the nations against T'Challa and his father. One of my mid-movie assumptions was that W'Kabi was going to do some sort of coup. So when Killmonger beat T'Challa in ritual combat, it made sense, which opened the door for those that support the new king vs the loyalists.
I may not be remembering correctly now, but surely there were other options to kill him before blasting him out of prison then killing him later.

EIther way, it's interesting there are such divisive opinions on the film. I felt quite alone with my opinion so it was good to see some other posts with a similar view to mine recently, especially @Eli Grey's view on the worldbuilding .
 

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I may not be remembering correctly now, but surely there were other options to kill him before blasting him out of prison then killing him later.
I'll probably have to watch it again, but it might have been that they needed each other to steal the Vibranium or something. Since he was captured, Killmonger had to break him out so that he could do the deed and take him to Wakanda. I dunno.

I don't recall the exact wording, but during the ritual battle, he mentioned that he spent his entire life planning and training for that moment, so maybe there could have been more insight into his overall plan that connected the dots, but I am assuming that stealing the Vibranium and killing Klaw after was always part of it. I could be wrong of course!

Right. No movie, or story for that matter, will make everyone happy. :)
 

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Finally saw it over the weekend and I wasn't terribly impressed. Overall it was rather boring and they clearly tried too hard to get us to feel sympathy for the poor advanced Watangans (sp?) by allowing people to act patronizing towards a perception they actively encouraged for thousands of years. Superhero films aren't meant to be Shakespearean, but Homeric.
 

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Finally watched it last night and though a little predictable, was very entertaining. In short, it's yet another decent Marvel Universe film. :)

Special kudos for making the main villain someone with motivations we could empathize with.
 

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