Star Trek Discovery - 1.09: Into the Forest I Go

  1. BAYLOR

    BAYLOR There Are Always new Things to Learn.

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    So how is it that the Federation never developed cloaking devices of their own? :unsure:
     
  2. ctg

    ctg weaver of the unseen

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    Politics. Knowing humans, we would have collected, and examined every piece of Klingon scrap until we'd have been able to backengineer their technology or possibly found ways to troll their race by applying science to counter the stuff. In the ST universe they've forgotten truly dirty hacker tactics. The fun stuff as Steve Wozniak would have described it. So I believe it eventually came down to the politics as the cloaks make bad diplomacy. After all they're on a mission of peace.
     
  3. Cathbad

    Cathbad Level 30 Geek Master

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    You seem to forget the treaty. The Federation agreed not to pursue cloaking technology.
     
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    Cathbad Level 30 Geek Master

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    Of course, if you watched the final TNG episode, you know that didn't last. ;)
     
  5. BAYLOR

    BAYLOR There Are Always new Things to Learn.

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    Oh yes it was stupid gentleman agreement for the federation not to develop closing device of their own. Which from a strategic point of view is just plain stupid.
     
  6. BAYLOR

    BAYLOR There Are Always new Things to Learn.

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    Yes the federation does she really stupid things don't they? :)
     
  7. Cli-Fi

    Cli-Fi John J. Falco

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    I seem to recall that it did in the movies, or maybe I am thinking about the Borg. Either way as I mentioned earlier, So it also stands to reason that whoever is next in line (probably that pale fellow/outcast dude) will create such changing signatures.
     
  8. Alexa

    Alexa traveller space dreamer

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    Kol stole this ship from T'Kuvma, so Michael was in here before.

    L'Rell wasn't hiding. She was condamed to death by Kol before Discovery made its appearance. All those bodies were from T'Kuvma's team.
     
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  9. Alexa

    Alexa traveller space dreamer

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    Possible. She may still want to help the other klingon banned by Kol. Sorry, I forgot his name.
     
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    Cli-Fi John J. Falco

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    Do we know that they transferred the complete frequency? They could have acquired the frequency and once jumped did not transfer it completely to Starfleet, or rather they didn't even get the chance to and now the readings are corrupted by whatever damage happened to Discovery during the jump. Lots of ways to explain how Starfleet could still not have the capability to shoot down cloaked Klingon ships. If CBS cares about that and I'm not totally sure they do.

    I can see two scenarios here:

    1. Lorca not telling Starfleet everything

    2. Lorca telling starfleet everything but goes crazy once he realizes what he sent to Starfleet was incomplete/didn't happen thus rendering his success a failure.
     
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  11. Dave

    Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Staff Member

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    I'm not too bothered about the cloaking technology, as I said earlier (and also in some long thread discussion somewhere else here) there was a kind of arms race anyway between the Federation and Romulans/Klingons over cloaking technology. It is Romulan technology, which the Klingons bought?? and Starfleet stole. I agree the Treaty was a bad decision (the real reason was Roddenbery thought Starfleet would not sneak around.) Since the Romulans aren't around yet until Kirk meets them again, I'm not sure how that works with the Klingons having the cloak? But maybe they have met them?

    We never had an explanation of how it worked until this episode, but I assumed it was bending EM radiation as the US Army is working on invisibility suits like that now (posted a news article here some years ago.) So, it was mentioned that their were still anomalies around the edges that could be detected - sounds feasible. The Klingons would improve the technology and get rid of them given time. The Excelsior was looking for gaseous anomalies and could detect exhaust gases from the Klingon ship - a totally different detection method.

    Still think they might meet someone in a corridor even if they knew the quickest way around.

    My point was about the time - how long has the Admiral meant to have been prisoner? Surely, some weeks? Yet, she never spoke with L'Rell and those bodies were just left in a pile? Then when they break in through the door, the Admiral doesn't think to say, "Oh! By the way, we aren't alone, there is a female Klingon warrior over in the corner?" But, I was probably being overly critical. Maybe some scenes got edited out that would make it make sense.
     
  12. Khuratokh

    Khuratokh Well-Known Member

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    And in Generations the scoutship belonging to the Dursa sisters was destroyed by one single torpedo, by forcing it to cloak. So this is entirely in keeping with what we've seen before. Also I'm assuming that after 130 jumps they've had plenty of time to identify the cruiser's (battleship?) weakpoints.

    We all know the use of the spore-drive will be abandoned. It will probably be too much to ask for, but i would like the Undine to make an appearance. ( the subspace fungus is entirely in keeping with Fluidic space, bio-ships, etc.)
    Perhaps the Shedai?
     
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  13. Alexa

    Alexa traveller space dreamer

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    Chronologically speaking, the remains of Shedai technology were discovered around 2265, or this series is supposed to be in 2250s. I suppose they still can do a few episodes with the sentinels and nobody will really complain about them.
     
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