Matrix Reboot in the works!

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Given the abject failures of the subsequent sequels to the original Matrix, one would think there is no appetite for a reboot! Especially given that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the original, so why try and taint it with a pointless update?

I despair sometimes :confused:
 

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Could be interesting if it's a spin-off - we know the Matrix went through previous crises. There are also possible changes to the future which were unexpected - for example, freeing the humans that power the machines.

Lots of possibilities - but also lots of chances to do things wrong!
 

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I'm up for this. I'd like it to perhaps steer a little bit away from the more spiritual aspects of the original series. I think that's where it lost its way. There's a lack of Cyberpunk in cinema, so if this helps to bring it back, along with the Blade Runner sequel, I'm happy.
 

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Well I have mixed feelings. I really enjoyed the Trilogy (yes I enjoyed all three!)

If they go for a straight remake then that would suck big time. If they go down a different path and tell a different story it could be great.

I hope they don't go insane with the special effects at the expense of the story - I thought the first 3, especially the first 1, had the perfect balance of SFX and story, they SFX felt like it fitted and wasn't just shoehorned in for a "cool" moment like a lot of films nowadays.
 

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It isnt a reboot, they are planning stories set within the matrix universe. The most likely right now being Morpheus' story. No remakes.
 

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Given the abject failures of the subsequent sequels to the original Matrix, one would think there is no appetite for a reboot! Especially given that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the original, so why try and taint it with a pointless update?

I despair sometimes :confused:
Hollywood is in Franchise Heat, everything is up for grabs, except back to the future.
 

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Yeah, the problem is they won't reboot good ideas that just didn't work out. They only reboot popular franchises, because they want to cash in on the recognition.
 

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we know the Matrix went through previous crises
I thought -- and I think I deserve to be forgiven if I'm wrong, given the car-crash** nature of the sequels -- that the later films suggested that the Matrix universe is cyclic, and that the same process happens over and over again, ended and immediately restarted by Neo.

If the idea is that the circle is should be finally broken -- somewhat unlikely as this would mean that someone would have to invent something new for any sequels :eek: -- that might work, but a simple remake? Why bother?


** - Okay, I admit to liking the extended action sequence on the highway. :oops:
 

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I thought -- and I think I deserve to be forgiven if I'm wrong, given the car-crash** nature of the sequels -- that the later films suggested that the Matrix universe is cyclic, and that the same process happens over and over again, ended and immediately restarted by Neo.
I think the cycle only restarts if Zion was destroyed and Neo (at that time) defeated. Then machines have total control again and eventually another One surfaces. But yes there could have been previous cycles, and then perhaps something changed afterwards. I may be wrong!
 

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Did anyone see the Animatrix? I like the directions they went in for that. They could easily do a "Morpheus's crew's adventures before Neo" spinoff and I'd be happy with that.
 

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As much as I enjoyed The Matrix, I have no desire to see a reboot. If they have no new story to tell, I'll watch something else, tyvm.
 

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Did anyone see the Animatrix? I like the directions they went in for that. They could easily do a "Morpheus's crew's adventures before Neo" spinoff and I'd be happy with that.
Yes, I agree that at the time those were great. I'd have happily watched those as live action spin-offs. They aren't doing that from what I have read. They couldn't do that with the original cast now; the time has passed. I'm sick of remakes and re-imaginations (especially any that aren't better or more lavish that the original) and any prequel or "next generation"-type stories really need to tell a "new" story, not merely the same story again. I've no problem if that can be done.
 

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I think the cycle only restarts if Zion was destroyed and Neo (at that time) defeated. Then machines have total control again and eventually another One surfaces. But yes there could have been previous cycles, and then perhaps something changed afterwards. I may be wrong!
My understanding of the story is that Neo isn't actually important in the last two films. Or at least he's not the changing element. It's Smith.
My interpretation of the story is as follows:
1) The War between machines and humanity reaches a head when humanity blocks out the sun. This forces machines to focus fully upon the war. In my view this is when the machines place a war-focused AI in charge of their primary function. Even though all machines of that time still have to serve humanity, the war-AI is focused on ending and winning the war.

2) Upon defeating humanity the machines could have settled down, however I believe that the War-AI had a sense of self awareness. Enough that it realised that with humanity beaten and placed into stasis or otherwise pacified would mean that it has no purpose. It thus has a desire to find a solution that perpetuates the concept of war between AI and humanity.

3) Alongside this is the fact that whilst the machine warred with humanity the overall reason for the existence of the machines is to serve humanity. Thus I think the concept of the matrix and choice within the matrix is born. Humans who reject the code are fewer than those who accept and the rejection of the matrix system is seen as a choice on the humans part. Thus machines continue to serve.

4) I believe that the War-AI then influences this process (and might have sabotaged earlier matrix versions which didn't hvae the choice concept - since humanity under full machine control means no need for a War AI); by ensuring that those who are rejected are put into a situation where they are encouraged to fight humanity. So instead of being released to an outside-matrix paradise they are instead released into a warzone; with a carefully crafted series of resources designed to allow them to continue the fight.

5) Thus you reach a situation where you've got a perpetual war. However machines are not stupid so I suspect that Neo, or rather the concept of Neo, is another sabotage element. An element that gives humans a chance in the war and thus keeps things going for "real" as opposed to just a fake war.

6) This explains why the Agents are very ineffective in their role and why humans are so easily allowed to escape the hives where they are harvested from. Into this we introduce Smith.

7) The Oracle program clearly recognises that the machines are trying to live an perpetual state, but at the same time you've got machines rebelling against that with those living inside the Matrix without a purpose. Machines made by machines that have reached a point like Saffie where they have no purpose and where, I think, serving humanity is also not part of their core programming (clearly those early codes are degrading as the machines continue to self-replicate). So you've got a whole internal war going on in the machine city itself. A civil war that could destroy the machines, which in turn destroys humanity as humans are clearly reliant on the machines.

8) As a result of this you get Smith. A machine who is unplugged from the mainframe and thus able to act on his core programming; which is to wipe out humanity. However Smith is clearly a twisted machine that riles against any sense of individuality which appears important to the regular Matrix machines. He's in a sense the most pure machine because he's running on his core programming (mostly) whilst most other machines appear to be like people - they perform their function but also have desires and aspirations and goals outside of those constraints.
Neo merging and defeating Smith is in a sense a deal between the machines and man to end the war. For the machines I think its also the point where they'd start to change to accept programs like Saffie and perhaps even older machines who are more restricted by their core programming might see a way to change that aspect of themselves; rather than rejecting it and seeing the rouge programs as purposeless.

This angle on the story is what I think underlays the second two films, but is horribly presented. As a result they turn into more action flicks where the greater story is lost in the unsaid areas. There's also likely a myriad of other ways the story can be interpreted.












As for back to the thread topic the war before the Matrix would be an ideal source of sequel story writing because its essentially disconnected from the Matrix storyline. Because of the nature of how the Matrix storyline is they could even tell stories of previous Neo's and their struggles as the number of cross over characters is few. In a sense the Matrix presents an ideal series of events that essentially wipe all previous events away. The great machine/man war ends with the matrix and story wise you can do whatever you want in that slot; only the ending and the creation of the matrix really matters.
 

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As for back to the thread topic the war before the Matrix would be an ideal source of sequel story writing because its essentially disconnected from the Matrix storyline. Because of the nature of how the Matrix storyline is they could even tell stories of previous Neo's and their struggles as the number of cross over characters is few. In a sense the Matrix presents an ideal series of events that essentially wipe all previous events away. The great machine/man war ends with the matrix and story wise you can do whatever you want in that slot; only the ending and the creation of the matrix really matters.
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