Languages of Aliens and the Voynich Manuscript

  1. Dennis E. Taylor

    Dennis E. Taylor Formerly Bizmuth. Destroying Worlds Since {mumble}

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    That is not necessarily the case. Given enough source material it is possible to translate a completely unknown script. The prime example is the decipherment of Linear B.
     
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    I confess to not knowing too much about Linear B but I thought it was a script used for an older form of Greek. In which case the language surely bears some relationship to ancient Greek which in turn would give some clues to the structure of the language which in turn would assist in its translation. Just my thoughts but absolutely not based on any knowledge :oops:
     
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    It's not really from the Hard SF end (if that is indeed what you're after) but Embassytown by Mieville. It leans more towards the way aliens think rather than just understanding the language. Also a good read.
     
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    dannymcg Raoul Mitgong won't help

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    Reading all through this thread and the translation issues took me waaaay back to the sixties . Eagerly awaited every week was comic Ranger. This featured ( from issue one ) 'The rise and fall of the Trigan empire' . Most people vaguely know it as ongoing adventures on a swords and ray guns planet based on the Roman culture. However the first few episodes were somewhat different, alien craft crashed on Earth with all occupants dead. These guys were super athletic and like eight foot tall. Found amongst the detritus were six thick tomes but nobody could translate. The best brains ( and 1960's computers) tried for years but eventually gave in. The aliens were gradually forgotten about. One young Frenchman , a student, worked most of his life on the six books and had Eureka in his seventies. Finally the Trigan yarn began. Every few years the comic strip would show a liver spotted hand closing a volume with these words "And thus ended the SECOND book of Trigo ( or third etc) . Last read any in 1972!
     
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    I started reading it a few years after that in Look and Learn, the very end of the Lawrence/Butterworth years and the whole of Oliver Frey's tenure. I have read the very first episodes you refer to, but I can't recall where. After Oliver Frey's time, Look and Learn also reprinted some old Lawrence/Butterworth stories, including one about a lost city that made a big impression on me at the time and which I'd love to read again. It was a fantastic strip.

    I started a thread here for anyone else who remembers it.

    Trigan Empire
     
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    Two stories in Analog in recent years dealt with 'decoding ' lost alien languages where the civilisation had died out but parts of their civilisation remained.

    Each one dealt with a different but universal concept to help decode the language. The first: maths, the second: the periodic table.
     
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    J Riff The Ants are my friends..

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    Well, the days of the 'week' or the names of special days. holidays; the names of many different plants, and the names of all the women pictured, then common words linking it all together. There would be no particular knowledge of math or periodic tables at that time, except maybe the odd alchemicaly-minded folk. But this is a cookbook for special occasions. Those characters at the beginning of sentences look like they can be added or subtracted to and from, so are they the special days, date, or what? It's not going to be easy. If this was a movie, we'd have 48 hrs/ to decode it, to save the Earth.
     
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    Here's a little news about the Voynich manuscript.

    Author of mysterious Voynich manuscript was Italian Jew, says scholar
     
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    Anything Hughes had his hands on is utterly suspect.
     
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