Visiting Venus

Ray McCarthy

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In the 1900s to 1950s the idea of visiting the Moon, Mars and Venus was in various stories. Venus was often thought to be more hospitable and perhaps tropical once clouds were spotted.

It turned out that visiting the Moon just really needed money, it was probably possible using late 1930s technology as liquid hydrogen / oxygen rocket motors, suitable electronics and inertial navigation existed by then.

Even when famous writers (Bradbury, W.E. Johns, Wyndham, Lewis) wrote about Mars they knew it didn't have canals or atmosphere. Not sure about Edgar Rice Burroughs. Today India has the ability to send a rover. They did an orbiter for only $75 million. Manned visit is a problem mainly due to radiation in transit and the health issues of low gravity in transit. The cost would be astronomic.

The Russians managed to land probes on Venus. It turns out that Jupiter's and Saturn's moons are more hospitable!

It’s been a long time since anyone tried landing on Venus, one of the most hostile environments in the Solar System. Covered in sulphuric acid clouds, the surface temperatures approach 460 C (860 F) with atmospheric pressure 90 times that of Earth. Lead, zinc and tin are liquids, and the weight of the carbon dioxide air is roughly equal to that found a kilometre under the ocean – enough to crush a submarine.
Having even a rover looks nearly impossible.
The toughest spaceship we’ve ever built

Perhaps the electronics needs to be ultra miniature valves (tubes), with many on a sapphire substrate (you'd need about 10,000 valves or maybe 500 such sapphire wafer devices) instead of the glass tubes. Sub-miniature valves for Japanese pocket radios, proximity fuses in shells, bombs and missiles and hearing aids did get to about 8mm x 30mm. The last commercial type were RCA nuvistors (used in USA VHF tuners, USA TVs, instruments and condenser microphones), only about 6mm x 8mm. There have been periodic lab fabrication of thermonic devices (valves or tubes) on sapphire wafers since the 1970s. The greenish VFD panels on some cookers, cars, set boxes, dvd and home theatre are actually multiple triode valves in a planar package.
Such a planar package using sapphire wafers as base and lid can operate at 500 C! That's been tested.
Regular semiconductors won't survive.
The Intel CPU uses maybe a billion transistors and early versions used a million. The ARM CPU in your phone is only a part of the chip, it's a System on a Chip (SoC) because the CPU doesn't need very many transistors. The 1980s ARM2 only used 30,000 transistors. A variation of the ARM design running only at a fraction of 1MHz is quite powerful enough to control the venus lander. The computer might be the size of about three shoe boxes, though take about 100 to 250W, though "cold cathode" devices using nano spikes would reduce power to under 15W.

This would remove the need for refrigeration, which at nearly 500 C for the radiator, would need an immense amount of power. Solar panels won't work due to heat. A radioactive power source wouldn't be powerful enough.

1950s Space Transmitters and Receivers
The Sputnik, early Russian spacecraft and MiG fighters all used sub-miniature "rod pentode" valves (tubes) about 8mm x 40mm or less. A modern version of such a transmitter / receiver could be used on a Venus lander. The Russians used refractory alumina substrates instead of regular electronics PCBs (which would melt!).

Another advantage of thermonic technology is that it's relatively immune to radiation and EMP compared to semiconductors.
 
Possible in the 30s but achieved by the 60s? We get the truth from the media? I see a collision ahead...* )
I have a box of old tubes... are they repurposeable in any way? Meanwhile, new tubes for old guitar amps (EL34s?) are still expensive.
 
I have a box of old tubes... are they repurposeable in any way?
yes.
Some are awkward to get for restoring old collectable radios. The DK92 about $2, but the similar USA 1L6 is $10 to $20 due to horders.

Meanwhile, new tubes for old guitar amps (EL34s?) are still expensive.
They are East European made in factory owned by USA Entrepreneur. Price is what people are prepared to pay. He bought rights to the Mullard name from Philips (they bought Mullard in 1928, but via shares held by a UK nominee via Switzerland that wasn't well known till 1938.).
 
They go flat, the shine goes off the high-end, and they are bloody expensive. Transistor amps with little tube preamps are okayyyyy.. but still not so rich sounding. Something to do with the overtone harmonic sequence, maybe. ) * ) The new Marshalls have some great features, multiple sound sources, but who can afford such things when the payrate is lower now than in the 70s?
 
Pretty much can with the right preamp. It's kind of like the hype about vintage Fender/Gibson electrics, it's mostly in the player; a good one can make a 90s Squire sound much betterer than a 1957 Strat worth as much as a house.
 
A manned mission to Venus seems very unlikely given the rather harsh environmental conditions on the surface.
 
Serendipity, I wondered if, supposing there's bitter cold at the poles and most of the rest of Venus is horribly hot, there might be a little bit of a range, say a band around the planet about 17 inches across, that was just right. I HAVE DIBS ON IT!! :D
 
Oh Venusian snakes live there, they are exactly as wide across as the 'temperate' zone is: actually close to 21 inches, I heard, and so there's no room, it's all alien snakes, working for scale, and _ (del.) Sorry.
 
If they could only cool the place off a bit.:unsure:
 

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