If You Could Change History Which Events Would You Change ?

  1. sinister42

    sinister42 The sinister resister.

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    I think I'd stop Stalin from assassinating Trotsky and convince Lenin not to trust Stalin. And I'd befriend a young Hitler and then bribe an art school to enroll him or something.
     
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  2. sinister42

    sinister42 The sinister resister.

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    I also think it'd be kind of neat to have the Saxons win the Battle of Hastings, but I have no idea what effect that'd have on history.
     
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    sinister42 The sinister resister.

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    But yeah, someone already said this, but preventing the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand would be pretty key. Prevent one of the least necessary wars in history, remove a lot of the reason for Hitler's rise to power (Germany's humiliation at the end of WW1), possibly prevent WW2 entirely. Prevent the Russian Revolution and the hideous tyranny that followed as a result of Lenin and Stalin's insistence that Russia could "skip" the capitalist phase of historical development and do socialism without an industrial proletariat...

    Then again, WW2 gave us a lot of technology we use today, including the modern computer, nuclear energy (not just bombs), jet engines (I think)...hmm. Yeah, I don't want to be the guy who says "Yeah, millions died, but the ends justified the means because now we have shiny toys!" War is bad, mmkay?
     
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  4. Mirannan

    Mirannan Well-Known Member

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    I'm not so sure about Ferdinand. The reason why his death caused a war was the interlocking networks of alliances all over Europe, together with ever-increasing piles of shiny new toys that went bang which various rulers couldn't wait to play with. IMHO if that attack hadn't happened then something else would have touched off WWI sooner or later, and I suspect it would have been sooner.
     
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  5. Cathbad

    Cathbad Yeah, I've got my ugly gray beard back!!

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    I agree with you, 100%!!

    A more honest and heart-felt Church would have resulted. It would have taken longer, and there would have been different "heroes", players, shakers and movers.

    It would have been quite an interesting age.
     
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  6. Ajid

    Ajid Only Saltwater Fish Drink

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    Antibiotics. I would stop the discovery and prevent the usage of antibiotics.

    I and many others may not be here.

    There is no more certain way to change the course of humanity, to my level of understanding, than to prevent the development and usage of antibiotics.

    I would probably not be here. If I was I'm sure my teeth would hurt more and I'd be less a limb. I cannot think of a more dramatic change to our way of life and I'd love to watch recent history unfold without the thing we take so readly available and for granted.
     
  7. Parson

    Parson This world is not my home

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    :confused: Are you thinking the world would be better off with fewer of us in more pain?
     
  8. Harpo

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    I think the biggest single event in human history was the Toba supervolcano eruption about 75,000 years ago, which reduced humanity to an estimated 2000 breeding pairs.

    Without that eruption, who knows how we might have turned out?
     
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  9. thaddeus6th

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    I remember hearing about that. It's rather sad to think of how much variance we lost. Maybe we would've had more hair colours, or maybe left-handedness used to be just as likely as right-handedness.

    I doubt we were ever as plastic (in the genetic sense) as dogs, which are fantastically variable [just consider how mankind would look if humans normally varied from the relative size of a chihuahua to that of a Great Dane], but we could've turned out very differently. Maybe certain illnesses were more/less prevalent in the destroyed majority of our species.

    The eruption could've, for all we know, saved us from a rampant plague that hadn't hit the 2,000 yet, or deprived us of tens or hundreds of thousands who would've radically altered the prehistory of humanity and how we were distributed across the globe.
     
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  10. Parson

    Parson This world is not my home

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    Or..... it might have concentrated the intelligence because only the smartest and the luckiest survived. Perhaps without that eruption humanity would simply be a very clever ape, but not technologically advanced.
     
  11. BAYLOR

    BAYLOR There Are Always new Things to Learn.

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    It's probably the closet humanity came to going extinct.
     
  12. Caledfwlch

    Caledfwlch I am not a Geek, I am a Level 20 Warlord!

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    I too think the "Great War" was inevitable, between Germany for example being deeply Jealous of the Colonies Great Britain had, and a strong desire to turn the Reich into an Empire - I seem to recall there was a lot of guff, with the Aristocracy, the Politicians and Military leadership believing in a "German Destiny" to become a globe spanning superpower, like the British Empire. And as you say, there were lots of wonderful new technologies and ways of killing more people, faster that the militaries wanted to try out.

    Not to mention the sheer lunacy of Germany's standard plans on what to do in event of War - even though the war was going to be between Germany and various Eastern Europe nations their Doctrine insisted they would have to invade and "pacify" France, they were so scared of the French, that even if things were going well between them, they would have to invade France purely because they saw their Southern Borders as unsafe. Which of course, meant going through Belgium. A Nation the UK had a protective treaty with......
     
  13. Cathbad

    Cathbad Yeah, I've got my ugly gray beard back!!

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    I know a way to alter history and have Germany not in WWII.

    Go back in time, take the place of a major art critic. Praise Adolf's work and sponsor him. Showcase his work. Make him a popular artist.

    His art actually wasn't bad at all. If he'd have had success, it would be likely he would have stuck with it.
     
  14. Parson

    Parson This world is not my home

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    Too hopeful by half. I suspect war was inevitable but perhaps some of the atrocities could have been moderated.
     
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    I don't think so. Wagner was a great composer, but also was a real jerk.
     
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  16. Cathbad

    Cathbad Yeah, I've got my ugly gray beard back!!

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    Oh, I'm sure he'd still be Adolf; I just don't think he'd have bothered with politics. :)
     
  17. Tulius Hostilius

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    Call me egoist, apart from a couple of personal regrets in my past, I could change a few personal moments, but I wouldn’t change anything in the humankind’s past. The variables are too many to foresee if the consequences would have a positive affect in the line of time.
     
  18. BAYLOR

    BAYLOR There Are Always new Things to Learn.

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    I would have told Harold Godwinson to rest his men for couple of days and then go to Hastings. That would have made all o fthe difference in the world.


    Another possibility, The Saxon nobility would have been wise to open negotiations with William Offer him the crown,their loyalty and support . This prevents Hastings would and prevents the disenfranchisement of the Saxon nobility.
     
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  19. BAYLOR

    BAYLOR There Are Always new Things to Learn.

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    HItler wasn't all that great an artist. He would failed as an artist and probably died in poverty and obscurity.
     
  20. HanaBi

    HanaBi Is it Safe?

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    The asteroid that hit the Gulf of Mexico 65 million years ago. Had that not happened then the dinosaurs would still be roaming the Earth, and I doubt very much if Homo Sapiens (and its derivatives) would be around today to see it (and that includes Raquel Welch)
     
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