The Expanse on SyFy *Spoilers*

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Lost in space is gonna be heavy competition though.
Maybe. Remember I compared the Expanse to new ST. So, LIN has a very tall order to climb. I'd bet it more likely competitor to Orville. Both are family friendly, Lost in Space even features child stars.
 

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so this premiered yesterday right? anyone seen the first ep yet?

i think i'll have to go back and rewatch season 2 before starting on 3
 

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The episode begins with a spectacular flight through the solar system as they show humans at their best, fighting each other. The war never changes. It's incredible to think all of us spreading from planet to planet and then, bringing all of it to the brink of existence. Humanity should learn from its mistakes, but it never will. Warring is in our blood as much is the exploration.

Strangely, what's happening at the small screen feels so surreal when all out war with the Russians is looming at the media headlines. It's the similar lies and similarly foolish leaders that fuel the conflict, while Rosinata's crew fix the ship in deep space.

I don't really understand how the alien being became so strong in zero-gravity. It's especially scary, because if you compare us to the protomolecule alien, humans are so weak. Without the machines, we are nothing. Without the technology we couldn't even think about living over there. But the protomolecule survives the most hostile encounters, things that would bring the extinction to humans and all the other living beings - as we know them. If aliens made it, who were/are they and what is that damn thing doing in our system?

In a way I've started to think it as an invasion weapon. That someone, something made it and purposely distributed around the galaxy. And I've only made it to half through the book 3, so I know not much more then anyone else who has made it to this point at the season 3.

The episode title mostly relates to the conflict that Bobby and Avasarala are going through at Mao's ship or should I call as a flying palace. Compared to any other vessel we've seen so far it's a thing of beauty. A true marvel that I would personally love to take around our solar system, while sipping pan galactic gargle blasters. If it would come equipped with Martian power armours, that flying palace would be a truly excellent tourist vessel.

I don't know why Avasarala didn't think that at the aftermath. She could commanded Bobby to take somewhere nice and forget about everything. It would have been easier solution then fleeing the missile storm. Why is it that we like to fight against overwhelming odds?

Why don't we just give up but actually admire heroics, like the one Bobby did to give them all a chance to survive? To be honest, the power armour can make anyone a superhero. It is a super technology and most likely one that we are going to need in the future. Not just to make a war, but to do all sorts of things that needs to be done in the deep cold space, where no-one can come to your aid.

As an episode highlight Razorback is the most beautiful thing. Just look at it. That vessel is meant for the speed freaks. I wonder what Jeremy Clarkson would think about it?



Seeing it going towards the unknown made me cry.
 

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As an episode highlight Razorback is the most beautiful thing. Just look at it. That vessel is meant for the speed freaks. I wonder what Jeremy Clarkson would think about it?
In the book, only two passengers could fit in the little ship. Same rationale in this episode. However, the inside of the pinnace didn't match the Spartan look of the exterior. Could have squeezed a platoon inside. But that's my only quibble. The rest of the episode was well done. And I'm convinced that the portrayal of Bobbie's character by SyFy is spot on.
 

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In the book, only two passengers could fit in the little ship. Same rationale in this episode. However, the inside of the pinnace didn't match the Spartan look of the exterior. Could have squeezed a platoon inside.
It might be hard to see it but they made Razorback quite big. The cabin section could have fitted Bobby's armour in it as well. She didn't needed to leave it at the airlock. I had no problem suspending my disbelief with it. I hope we get to see more of it soon.
 

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the protomolecule survives the most hostile encounters, things that would bring the extinction to humans and all the other living beings - as we know them. If aliens made it, who were/are they and what is that damn thing doing in our system?

In a way I've started to think it as an invasion weapon

Damn straight. The Protomolecule: All three factions now have this ultimate weapon, but I haven't seen any evidence that anyone has been able to control it. Nobody seems to think Venus is on track to be the new solar system superpower.
My favorite moment of this episode: Bobbie advising Chrisjen to remove her earrings because the Gs that were about grab them when she lit up Mao's crotchrocket would likely rip her head off. :LOL:
 

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I found it incredulous that the crew burned all Protomolecule remnants off the ship's exterior, yet failed to thoroughly inspect the hole the creature had put in the deck before patching it up.
Does the blue juice need a human body to develop? If so, I wonder which member of the crew is doomed to become its host.
 

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Does the blue juice need a human body to develop?
No. It feeds on radiation and possibly other nasty things. In the case of Venus I think it's feeding itself on the planetary body rather than sun driven radiation as those clouds has to act as some sort of barrier. We don't know if it needs human bodies to do Caliban transformation. Whoever will eventually overhaul Rosinante, they're going to either have a jackpot or the biggest scare of their life.
 

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In the book, only two passengers could fit in the little ship. Same rationale in this episode. However, the inside of the pinnace didn't match the Spartan look of the exterior. Could have squeezed a platoon inside. But that's my only quibble. The rest of the episode was well done. And I'm convinced that the portrayal of Bobbie's character by SyFy is spot on.
Well they probably could have fit more than two into the Pinnace, but there were only two acceleration couches (awesome ones by the way!), so any serious acceleration and they'd be in trouble, no to mention if they start bouncing around the inside of the Pinnace, could end up looking like a blender in space!


Damn straight. The Protomolecule: All three factions now have this ultimate weapon, but I haven't seen any evidence that anyone has been able to control it. Nobody seems to think Venus is on track to be the new solar system superpower.
My favorite moment of this episode: Bobbie advising Chrisjen to remove her earrings because the Gs that were about grab them when she lit up Mao's crotchrocket would likely rip her head off. :LOL:
I think the Inners are too busy in a shooting war right now, but it will only be a matter of time (and episodes) before the attention switches back to whatever is happening on Venus. It didn't make it clear as to whether the crew of the Arboghast were still alive, I'm assuming not.

I found it incredulous that the crew burned all Protomolecule remnants off the ship's exterior, yet failed to thoroughly inspect the hole the creature had put in the deck before patching it up.
Does the blue juice need a human body to develop? If so, I wonder which member of the crew is doomed to become its host.
It was left a little unclear, I gathered that the remnants of the Protomolecule were not visible from the panel section they had replaced, and that they were interrupted by Naomi and her "Let's all go to Tycho!" moment, so I'm prepared to overlook it. Bet they'll wish they had been more thorough before long though!

As to what the protomolecule feeds on, my understanding is that it feeds off of energy of any sort. Hence when the reactor was taken offline in S2E13 the protomonster immediately started looking for another source and made a beeline for Holden, presumably his bioenergy was the best energy source around...
 

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May is a brave little girl but she's all too trusting for waking up in strange facility and still not seeing daddy. Dr Strickland has all too trustful face for being anything other than sugar daddy. But, what can a little girl do far away from home, in place that's at the heart of the Caliban Project?

Nothing. In fact, I'm slightly surprised that she hadn't already been turned to a bioweapon since Mao is hellbent to keep weaponization program on-going. It's almost as if the humanity is a threat and they can somehow clean that places after the infestation has turned into whatever is happening beneath the clouds of Venus. Can greed do that to you after you love money more than your family?

Then again we can also think that Mao realised that Errigwright has been using his money and the resources to keep the weponization program alive without his complete approval. If that is the true then it proves the age of old concept of *asshole rising to the surface as always, meaning that nothing will change. We cannot escape the doom and gloom culture in the future, because we have to married to the chaos and conflict. After all Erringwright is now the snake in the paradise as he controls the flow of the events.

The only flaw in his plan was the Avasarala didn't die. He didn't finish the job himself. The whole chain effed in big time as UN cruiser should had actively scanned Mao's ship during the missile flight to see any escape attempts. I wonder what that crew will feel when they learn that they started an interplanetary war on a failed false flag operation?

Avasarala is also lucky that Bobby is thinking like a soldier than trying to be a hot shot pilot. They would have never survived at the inner planets. Only if Bobby had been an ace pilot would Avasarala been in the position where she could had done high-speed diplomatic shuttling around the Solar System. She has the skills and experience to pull most amazing feats in the diplomatic field.

Razorback doesn't need defence weapons, only a cocoon that keeps the diplomatic package alive during the transit. Otherwise it use its speed as a counter-defence against the bloody missiles. I have to admit that the tactical move Rosinante's crew pulled was amazing. Only thing I'm sure about is the EMP-field as it must have been strong to cause those tracking missiles to explode.

I'm also glad they reminded why things are secured in the storages at space, when you take high speed manoeuvres. The gravitational forces doesn't stop outside the ship as they are involved in everything. We are so lucky that The Expanse crew can show us these things.

Additional amusement was on Errigwrights face when he was accused on committing warcrimes. He didn't like that one bit.
 

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Holy raucous rocket romp!
Both Bobbie and Alex piloted waaaay above their paygrades. Real edge-of-my-seat entertainment. Not much plot development, but I forgive them.
Dr Strickland has all too trustful face for being anything other than sugar daddy.
I noticed how quickly he dropped his fake smile the second he was out of May's sight.
Avasarala is also lucky that Bobby is thinking like a soldier than trying to be a hot shot pilot. They would have never survived at the inner planets.
Poor Avasarala. When she took Bobbie's advice and whistled a little tune to keep breathing, I had to laugh. Avasarala looked a little post-rigor when Bobbie carried her into the ship.
I'm also glad they reminded why things are secured in the storages at space, when you take high speed manoeuvres.
Amos' interception of the drill showed that his reflexes have been enhanced.

The Protomolecule blue goo in the lower deck is growing, which would explain the declining engine efficiency.
 

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he Protomolecule blue goo in the lower deck is growing, which would explain the declining engine efficiency.
Yeah. I though it would be obvious to them since the last time. I guess they had to do to show Avasarala how things really are, instead of her finding them out from the reports. I bet she's going to demand a com-access and Holsten ain't going to be happy about it. Think about all those long distance bills piled on Rosinante's account on top of the all the maintenance in the doc.

Avasarala looked a little post-rigor when Bobbie carried her into the ship.
Didn't she said that she's didn't like going in space? I really mean what I said about the Razorback. She should get used to the high-speed induced g-forces so that she can shuttle around the solar system doing what she does best, spying on other people business.

Real edge-of-my-seat entertainment.
The best space-battles since the BSG stopped broadcasting. This is such a luxury treat on the small screen.
 

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Yep, that was stonkingly good fun! It took me a couple of re-watches of the 'Holden Manoeuvre' as I shall now be calling it to appreciate just how awesome that was.

Nice catch on the engine / proto-molecule issue there as well REBerg, didn't spot that myself.

I thought it did move the plot along a little bit, the scenes with Mao and Strickland showed us a bit more of what they are doing with Mei and the Protomolecule, I don't fancy the chances of her friend though!
 

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I don't fancy the chances of her friend though!
Yeah, but he hasn't completely turned. He has the lights in his arms but he hasn't completely transformed to a Caliban beast. I don't even know what to call that thing. Exomonster. The inhibitor suggest that he's going to turn and then Strickland is going to try to control it with a daily supplement of some sort. Something that the protomolecule cannot synthesis in the nature. How could that plan go wrong?
 

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