Ah, right. Thanks for that. I thought I was getting confused with my X-Men.
Quicksilver should get his own movie by the way. I thought he was the highlight in this one. Made me laugh
Spoilers ... X-Men Days of Future Past (Movie)...Spoilers should be assumed
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Quicksilver should get his own movie by the way. I thought he was the highlight in this one. Made me laugh
I thought this was a turkey, that depended on so many silly improbabilities:
- one of the X-Men suddenly has time-travel abilities. Huh?
- Why send Wolverine, when they only need to send a mind back - cough - professor?
- So they set up an improbability paradox - send someone from the future to the past, which means they would never have been sent from the future. We forgave that in Terminator because it was made the 80's, but - c'mon - Babylon 5 showed that we could do intelligent time travel in the 90's.
- Charles Xavier has a drug to cure spinal paralysis - will he not share this astonishing discovery with medical science?
- Quicksilver - cool bullet-time in the Pentagon, but let's face it, he's a walking deus ex machina - they made Magneto's predicament so impossible to deal with that we have to see a completely new X-Man with god-like powers to solve it. And could probably solve all their future problems - hence why he needs to quickly disappear after.
- Mystique's DNA allows for the absorption of superpowers which the Sentinels can then use? Since when did Mystique have that ability? I think the producers are confusing her with Sylar from Heroes ...
- How did the future X-Men know the exact moment in the past that must be changed? Instead of trying to stop Mystique, why not simply...um...destroy all Trasker's research/notes before the project gets going? That would have saved the lives of all those dissected muties...
- Surely the future X-Men might have noticed these mutant-hunter/killer Sentinels? After all, Mystique kills Trasker in the original storyline, causing their continued development, right?
- Why get Magneto involved in the past in the first place? If super-psychic Charles Xavier can't use persuasion or mind-control to stop Mystique, then a glorified spoon-bender is hardly going to tip the balance, is it?
- At the end, they invalidate every X-Men movie to date. Fine. But - Jean Grey lives? Didn't we see Professor X carefully try to reason with her before she turned? Surely only way he could stop her becoming the Phoenix would be to use mind-control, wipe her brain, or some other morally questionable act? After all, he insisted on the right of choice and Free Will in dealing with Mystique, despite that the fate of the world depended on it?
- Btw - did I miss a meeting? Who resurrected Charles Xavier after The Phoenix killed him?
- one of the X-Men suddenly has time-travel abilities. Huh?
- Why send Wolverine, when they only need to send a mind back - cough - professor?
- So they set up an improbability paradox - send someone from the future to the past, which means they would never have been sent from the future. We forgave that in Terminator because it was made the 80's, but - c'mon - Babylon 5 showed that we could do intelligent time travel in the 90's.
- Charles Xavier has a drug to cure spinal paralysis - will he not share this astonishing discovery with medical science?
- Quicksilver - cool bullet-time in the Pentagon, but let's face it, he's a walking deus ex machina - they made Magneto's predicament so impossible to deal with that we have to see a completely new X-Man with god-like powers to solve it. And could probably solve all their future problems - hence why he needs to quickly disappear after.
- Mystique's DNA allows for the absorption of superpowers which the Sentinels can then use? Since when did Mystique have that ability? I think the producers are confusing her with Sylar from Heroes ...
- How did the future X-Men know the exact moment in the past that must be changed? Instead of trying to stop Mystique, why not simply...um...destroy all Trasker's research/notes before the project gets going? That would have saved the lives of all those dissected muties...
- Surely the future X-Men might have noticed these mutant-hunter/killer Sentinels? After all, Mystique kills Trasker in the original storyline, causing their continued development, right?
- Why get Magneto involved in the past in the first place? If super-psychic Charles Xavier can't use persuasion or mind-control to stop Mystique, then a glorified spoon-bender is hardly going to tip the balance, is it?
- At the end, they invalidate every X-Men movie to date. Fine. But - Jean Grey lives? Didn't we see Professor X carefully try to reason with her before she turned? Surely only way he could stop her becoming the Phoenix would be to use mind-control, wipe her brain, or some other morally questionable act? After all, he insisted on the right of choice and Free Will in dealing with Mystique, despite that the fate of the world depended on it?
- Btw - did I miss a meeting? Who resurrected Charles Xavier after The Phoenix killed him?
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A few of your problems are sorted by the comics - Quicksilver is around, you just don't see him in films often, great character though Also the way the absorption works is that Mystique's powers allow cellular change - so the Sentinels can shift themselves about. I am assuming that they probably got Rogue for the absorbing others' powers. (In fact I can remember an excellent mini story of Rogue Vs Mystique where Rogue nabbed Mystique's power and was a sort of ultra Mystique vs Mystique battle)
Anyway, got to go off now so can't really do anymore chatting! Woops! Being yelled at to get out of the door hah!
Also the way the absorption works is that Mystique's powers allow cellular change - so the Sentinels can shift themselves about. I am assuming that they probably got Rogue for the absorbing others' powers. (In fact I can remember an excellent mini story of Rogue Vs Mystique where Rogue nabbed Mystique's power and was a sort of ultra Mystique vs Mystique battle)Anyway, got to go off now so can't really do anymore chatting! Woops! Being yelled at to get out of the door hah!
Yeah, I figured some of the issues would be addressed by the comics. It's just a shame the films don't remain consistent with each other.
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I got this for Christmas and watched recently. I really enjoyed it and thought it had been one of the better X-Men movies so far, although I think First Class is going to remain my favourite.
The story itself is based loosely on Uncanny X-Men 141-142 by Chris Claremont & John Byrne. In that Kitty has just joined the X-Men and she is sent back in time (mind only) by an as then unknown mutant known only as 'Rachael'. The older Kitty, or Kate is recognized as being an older mind by the way she talks, moves and uses her powers - and then when Xavier reads her mind. She was chosen to be sent back because all the other X-Men would have received enough training to turn back a telepathic attack - which is one they would have seen the transfer to be.
Kate has gone back to stop the assassination of Senator Robert Kelly by the Brotherhood of Mutants, led by Mystique. The two stories run consecutively as the future X-Men are slowly wiped out by the Sentinels, and the modern day X-Men try to save Kelly. Ultimately they succeed but it is a bitter sweet ending. We see Kate leave Kitty's body but never get to see the future she returns to (We later learn she probably created an alternative timeline), and Kelly seeing all his fears made real takes an interest in a new program to combat the mutants: The Sentinels.
How did Prof X get resurrected? At the end of (I think) X-Men 3 there is an extra scene tagged on after the credits when a figure wakes up in a bed and speaks with Patrick Stewart's voice, the inference being that Xavier jumped his mind into a comatose, brain dead body. How he managed to look the same is strange. (But could be argued that he is manipulating peoples perceptions to see him as Charles.) But then he should still be able to walk....
Apocalypse all skinny - when we have seen him in the past, right back in Egyptian times En Sabah Nur was a 'skinny' pale skinned runt of a character. It was only as he aged he got bigger.
The story itself is based loosely on Uncanny X-Men 141-142 by Chris Claremont & John Byrne. In that Kitty has just joined the X-Men and she is sent back in time (mind only) by an as then unknown mutant known only as 'Rachael'. The older Kitty, or Kate is recognized as being an older mind by the way she talks, moves and uses her powers - and then when Xavier reads her mind. She was chosen to be sent back because all the other X-Men would have received enough training to turn back a telepathic attack - which is one they would have seen the transfer to be.
Kate has gone back to stop the assassination of Senator Robert Kelly by the Brotherhood of Mutants, led by Mystique. The two stories run consecutively as the future X-Men are slowly wiped out by the Sentinels, and the modern day X-Men try to save Kelly. Ultimately they succeed but it is a bitter sweet ending. We see Kate leave Kitty's body but never get to see the future she returns to (We later learn she probably created an alternative timeline), and Kelly seeing all his fears made real takes an interest in a new program to combat the mutants: The Sentinels.
How did Prof X get resurrected? At the end of (I think) X-Men 3 there is an extra scene tagged on after the credits when a figure wakes up in a bed and speaks with Patrick Stewart's voice, the inference being that Xavier jumped his mind into a comatose, brain dead body. How he managed to look the same is strange. (But could be argued that he is manipulating peoples perceptions to see him as Charles.) But then he should still be able to walk....
Apocalypse all skinny - when we have seen him in the past, right back in Egyptian times En Sabah Nur was a 'skinny' pale skinned runt of a character. It was only as he aged he got bigger.
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They do actually explain a lot of it in the film.
They say why. Because Wolverine is the only one who could survive it because of his healing. (Though why, therefore, his mind doesn't heal itself after the adamantium bullet and return its memories, I don't know).
The Prof X being alive/still in a wheelchair at the end made no sense to me either.
They say why. Because Wolverine is the only one who could survive it because of his healing. (Though why, therefore, his mind doesn't heal itself after the adamantium bullet and return its memories, I don't know).
The Prof X being alive/still in a wheelchair at the end made no sense to me either.
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My take on it, from my SFF blog: http://sciencefictionfantasy.blogspot.co.uk/
I have more or less kept up with the X-Men films (barring the odd offshoot) as it is one of the better fantasy series of recent times, so I ordered the DVD as soon as it became available. What follows has some minor spoilers so, if you insist on every development coming as a surprise (in which case, why read reviews?) you had better stop now – I'll just say that it's definitely worth seeing.
I found the start rather confusing because I had formed the impression beforehand that it was the sequel to X-Men: First Class, which was set in the 1960s; probably because of the advertised presence of Jennifer Lawrence rather than Rebecca Romijn as Mystique. However, the beginning consists of a series of savage combats set in a bleak future world wrecked by warfare, in which the X-Men have been hunted to near-extinction by the Sentinels, artificial humanoids specifically designed to detect and kill them. The few survivors, including an aged Professor X and Magneto working together, had deduced that the war was started by one act in 1973 – the killing by Mystique of Bolivar Trask (Peter Dinklage), the creator of the Sentinels. There is just one chance of changing history – so the time-shifting talent of one of the X-Men is used to send the mind of Wolverine back to inhabit his body in 1973, to try to prevent the assassination.
What follows is a race against time as Wolverine, now in 1973, tries to recruit the help of reluctant younger versions of Professor X and Magneto in finding Mystique and dissuading her from killing Trask, before the Sentinels in the future locate the last X-Men and destroy Wolverine's unconscious body. Of course that isn't simple and a series of complications ratchets up the tension, with some great set-pieces leading up to the climax.
The mood is darker than I recall from the previous films, but the plot is more focused and the dramatic pacing is very good. All in all, this film more than maintains the standard of the others. It was good to see Famke Janssen again, albeit briefly, but I still much prefer Rebecca Romijn's version of Mystique!
I have more or less kept up with the X-Men films (barring the odd offshoot) as it is one of the better fantasy series of recent times, so I ordered the DVD as soon as it became available. What follows has some minor spoilers so, if you insist on every development coming as a surprise (in which case, why read reviews?) you had better stop now – I'll just say that it's definitely worth seeing.
I found the start rather confusing because I had formed the impression beforehand that it was the sequel to X-Men: First Class, which was set in the 1960s; probably because of the advertised presence of Jennifer Lawrence rather than Rebecca Romijn as Mystique. However, the beginning consists of a series of savage combats set in a bleak future world wrecked by warfare, in which the X-Men have been hunted to near-extinction by the Sentinels, artificial humanoids specifically designed to detect and kill them. The few survivors, including an aged Professor X and Magneto working together, had deduced that the war was started by one act in 1973 – the killing by Mystique of Bolivar Trask (Peter Dinklage), the creator of the Sentinels. There is just one chance of changing history – so the time-shifting talent of one of the X-Men is used to send the mind of Wolverine back to inhabit his body in 1973, to try to prevent the assassination.
What follows is a race against time as Wolverine, now in 1973, tries to recruit the help of reluctant younger versions of Professor X and Magneto in finding Mystique and dissuading her from killing Trask, before the Sentinels in the future locate the last X-Men and destroy Wolverine's unconscious body. Of course that isn't simple and a series of complications ratchets up the tension, with some great set-pieces leading up to the climax.
The mood is darker than I recall from the previous films, but the plot is more focused and the dramatic pacing is very good. All in all, this film more than maintains the standard of the others. It was good to see Famke Janssen again, albeit briefly, but I still much prefer Rebecca Romijn's version of Mystique!
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