Harry/Hermione should have happened, admits Rowling...

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  1. Boaz

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    It does not surprise me that JKR sees things differently now. Close to twenty years have passed since she started writing the story. How many of us have changed some of our likes and dislikes in art, literature, hobbies, sports, and relationships? JKR has moved on to a different stage in life and it seems now that H+H now appeals to her. I wonder if this was not inevitable since they are the two most important characters.

    Yes, Dumbledore, Snape, and Voldemort are crucial to the central plot, but young people are certainly not going to sympathize with them. They might empathize with Dumbledore, but readers under the age of forty are hardly going to see themselves as the aged wizard.

    Harry is the hero of prophecy, but Hermione is just as capable if not more so. Hermione is not Harry's sidekick... Ron is. Hermione is a hero in her own right. Harry and Hermione represent the male and female aspects of the young hero so that both boys and girls can identify themselves with the themes of bravery, romance, loneliness, friendship, trust, etc.

    I think it is important that, of all the primary and secondary good guys, only Harry and Hermione were muggle raised. We can more easily identify with their upbringing than with those of Ron and Luna.

    And respectively, Harry and Hermione exemplify the qualities of adaptability and practicality. Change is the only constant that Harry knows and if he could not adapt, then he'd never overcome his obstacles. His ability to think on his feet and see options in fluid situations gets him through. On the other hand, Hermione triumphs because she is always prepared. She has spent her time wisely in study to acquire the necessary skills and mastery of spells. We value both qualities of flexibility and preparation.

    Ron is the best friend and brother that Harry has longed for all his life. Ron is the trusted confidant and brother in arms of Harry's youth. Ron does not have any wise solutions or insight other than "Welcome to the Wizarding World." Ron is cherished because he and Harry stole and crashed a car... because he and Harry snuck out after hours... because he and Harry played sports together... because he and Harry liked trading cards... In short, Ron gives Harry's life normalcy.

    Hermione is the stable, capable, and ever prepared female figure Harry has desired. Her willingness to listen (and to provide counsel) attracts Harry. She is valuable to Harry because she understands the difficulties to come and helps him prepare. She pushes him to study. She pushes him to lead the DA. She stands by him against Voldemort. Ron is almost always willing, but Hermione is willing and prepared. She is Harry's friend for the real world.

    A published author once told me that a book is like a child. The author is there from the moment of conception. The author puts in as much of himself as he can. The author has a dream of how the book will enrich other people's lives. But once the book is published, it takes on a life of it's own. People might love it, hate it, or ignore it. It might be tossed in the trash or it might be chatted about incessantly. Some people may be inspired by it and some may use it as a blueprint for evil.

    Not even JKR envisioned the life her story has undergone. People have laughed and wept. People have dismissed it. It has become a movie franchise unlike any other. It has created jobs. It has probably inspired porn as well. The story has been translated into at least sixty-seven other languages (according to Wikipedia). It has brought her praise and criticism from internet posters. The story has also created a legacy for generations of her descendants.

    And yet, the story has affected her as well. I don't mean her lifestyle, her income, or her friends. Obviously her fans have connected with her and this (and the passage of time) has caused her to view H+H differently. It is my understanding that she wrote the books by herself... I mean without input from friends and colleagues (except her editor, of course)... and so she only got comments after the fact. It is my guess that this feedback was probably overwhelmingly in favor of H+H.

    Putting them together would have been fine.... but it would have been too predictable and too neat. For a story to kids and teens, Harry Potter is very messy. Orphans, child abuse, murder, prison, torture, bigotry, theft, insanity, betrayal, and war are factors in the story. "And they all lived happily ever after" would not have been as good as the ending she gave us. "And they all went on with their lives in whatever manner they chose."
     
  2. Boneman

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    ooh, who? Whom? Send a me a pm... unless you're talking about the incident of me with Patrick Rothfuss...:eek:

    ps: thread-wise, she could always write about Harry and Hermione's affair... their marriages breaking up, and them getting together...
     
  3. TheDustyZebra

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    I liked Ron/Hermione just fine, and Harry/Ginny, but if it had been written another way, I would have been fine with that too. What I don't like is having the author come out years later and say, "oh, it really should have been the other way."

    What's up with that? The books are done, the movies are done, it's all over. It's too late for "woulda coulda shoulda" games. Now, if she wanted to write another book that would make this relevant, more power to her. But once it's done, leave it alone, for gods' sake. That's just not fair.

    Now, coming out (no pun intended, but what the heck) and saying Dumbledore was gay, ok -- it doesn't materially affect anything that happened in the books or the movies. Nothing ever said he wasn't. It's like another epilogue.
     
  4. PTeppic

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    It is certainly curious. From my recollections, her revelations mean she twisted the plot/dialogue from the outset, from 20 years ago, to ensure that the non-logical (albeit slightly cliched) H-H solution DIDN'T happen, and that H-G/R-H transpired. In fairness, that takes some dedication to get it to work seamlessly that no-one "noticed".

    But I'd still love to know her reason for the switch. I'm assuming personal experience, somewhere down the line.
     
  5. PTeppic

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    What we've also been overlooking is that our entire discussion thus-far has been based on snippets of the interview, quoted by The Times. The full interview seems to have only been published today.

    And in which it does seem to answer my particular query.
     
  6. RightersBlock

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    I'm glad that H+H didn't happen. It seemed like herm' might have had some feelings for Harry but he never seemed interested in her at all. But I was always a H+L shipper and I am happy with H+G even though it seemed predictable. I honestly can't imagine Hermione getting with anyone, as no one is really "good enough" for her. Her and Ron was predictable as well but I didn't mind it too much.
     
  7. Grimward

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    I'm also pretty firmly in the Harry-and-Hermione-not-happening court. I liked the fact that Rowling put enough sparks between the two of them to make readers ask but maintained their friendship instead of taking it the other way. All too often, "the boy gets the girl" (or visa versa, truth be told); it was good to see it NOT happen that way this time, and also that neither were interested in the other as more than a close friend.
     
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    I think it would be too cliche if Harry and Hermione were together. The brightest girl gets the famous hero? Then that makes Ron the third wheel ALL the time and devalues him as a crucial character to the plot.
     
  9. Boaz

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    One of my coworkers is a big comic guy. I read Marvel as a kid, but never got into DC. DC's new storyline has Superman dating Wonder Woman. Did DC finally get it right... or is is "too cliche"? Is is natural for the strongest male and strongest female to be drawn (I hope Ursa Major sees this... it makes two puns this year for me) towards each other or is DC trying to cash in on fan dollars?
     
  10. RightersBlock

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    Not to be cynical but that is what comic companies are always trying to do, especially big ones like DC or Marvel. Personally I dislike the Superman/Diana relationship due to how it is portrayed. However every few years in comics they will try to shake things up and try something new temporarily (like what's happening in the Marvel comics right now). Superman will be back with Lois eventually. If this relationship lasts for longer than a decade i'll be surprised. But I really like when Superman has a relationship with a human being, especially when they are unawares of his secret identity, due to the vulnerability, danger and intrigue (Also it's hilarious to see a fragile human like Lois boss around her invulnerable husband/boyfriend). The New 52 seems to value super-powers over humanity/humaness, unlike DC before the reboot. It feels like a barren wasteland with bad characterization for the most part. Anyway, Diana and Supes together does nothing for me, asides from making me wonder what their child would end up being like.
     
  11. Boaz

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    RB, we are all in it to make money. I was not at all clear that I meant that they might be steering away from what is fun and what is art in order to make even more money by doing something they know is stupid or uninspired. Why did Michael Jordan make his second comback? Why are the NFL owners pushing for eighteen game seasons? Why is Al Gore so adamant about global warming? Why does Hollywood rehash TV, comic, book, and previous movie franchises instead of making something new?

    Money (That's What I Want) was sung by John Belushi on the soundtrack for Animal House. In 1979-90, John Belushi had a number one album, tv show, and movie. Wow. By the way, the song Money was a cover of the Beatles which was a cover of Berry Gordy's first Motown hit.

    One aspect of Harry Potter that I admired was that it was a complete story. It began, lived, it ended. Archie Andrews and Peter Parker are still going with no ending in sight. Clark Kent is still 28-32 years old. Marvel is doing their big retcon. Star Wars is rebooting. Ben Affleck will be the fifth actor in the last twenty-five years to play Batman. In fact, as I was just making sure of this I typed "actors who h" into Google... the number one suggestion was "actors who have played batman".

    But Harry Potter was an enclosed story. Harry actually grew older. He matured physically, socially, emotionally... He made mistakes. He had success. He had to learn to live with the consequences of both.

    There's no going back to Hogwarts. There should be no return to Harry's preteen frustrations. I don't want to know of a reboot that puts Harry and Hermione together. It was Rowling's art in a specific time of her life. You can't put a seventeen year old back into the womb.
     
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