X-Men: Days of Future Past

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Bring in the old cast and the young cast and pit them together?


No sign of Galacticus, who appeared in the Dark Phoenix credits - possibly held back for the updated trailer?
 

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I certainly hope no Galacticus. I mean, I like the villain, but I think any X-men movie should stick to the X-men dynamic.

That being said, "Days of Future Past" allows the writers to open up to an Apocalypse-driven story line. I'd love that.

I just watched through the cartoon two-part Days of Future Past from the ninties. In that series they sent Bishop back in time to avert the mutant-human war when Wolverine couldn't make the trip. The trailer obviously shows Bishop in a quick clip.

My worry is, as with all the other X-men releases, side characters will only get half-assed roles in the story. Like Gambit and Colossus did. I don't want Bishop to have fifteen minutes of screen time, no back story and no involvement besides getting blown up by a robot holding the line while Wolverine gets the primary plot, all the dialogue and all the money

Not that I don't like Wolverine... Hugh is the man.
 

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The film is based on the first Days of... storyline that appeared way back in Uncanny X-Men 141 & 142 (ooh I had them in my X-Men timeline, wonder if I can link through). No but I can quote. Unfortunately the pictures are gone.

The Uncanny X-Men 141 – 142 (Claremont & Byrne)

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A middle aged woman in a drab green jump suit and a high tech collar makes her way through the ruins of New York. Her name is Kate Pryde, and she is making a detour from her acceptable route.

Suddenly the floor gives way beneath her and she falls into a basement - it's tap set by brutal beings, scavenger going by the name of rogues. Before they can attack they are attacked themselves, by Logan, but he is not the Wolverine of old. He is dressed in jeans and a leather jacket, his hair streaked with grey.

It is the future, but not the future of equality and peace dreamed of by Professor Xavier. Here mutants have been either subjugated or killed, the survivors living in concentration camps controlled by the Sentinels. Only a few like Logan are still free, and he has brought a small device for Kate, something she can use in a last, desperate plan.

She leaves returning to the camp where she lives, her powers deactivated by her collar, the camp is surrounded by a massive graveyard, all the stones bearing the names of the mutants killed by the humans and sentinels. Many of the names are familiar. Scott Summers. Hank McCoy. Kurt Wagner. Charles Xavier. The list goes on, including many non-mutant heroes like the Fantastic Four and Peter Parker.

Kate returns to her fellows, Ororo, her husband Peter Rasputin, an old man in a wheelchair - Magneto, the son of Reed and Sue Richards - Franklin and a short haired redhead known only as Rachael.

They use the device supplied by Logan to finish a device that inhibits the inhibitor collars, allowing the group to use their powers. Peter is not convinced about the plan, that it is too dangerous and might claim the woman he loves, but we learn how damaged Kate is, that she is scarred from losing her friends and seeing her babies brutally killed in front of her. She has to do it, because there is nothing else to live for. It appears that Rachael is a powerful telepath, and she uses her power to take hold of Kate's mind and temporally swap it with her younger self, at least that is the mad desperate plan...

In the modern world Sprite wanders into the Danger World during a serious training session and nearly gets killed. After the X-Men have managed to save her, it is decided that it is time for her first solo session in the Danger Room.

She takes a deep breath. closes her eyes and walks right across the room, oblivious to all the things it throws at her. The X-Men are reduced to tear through laughter, recognising that Professor Xavier spent weeks programming the room to test Kitty and she walks through it with her eyes closed.

Or it seems that way... but as she reaches the far side of the room she gasps and slumps to the floor.

She recovers in the sickroom, where the first person she sees is Kurt, and throws herself around him in a huge hug - which flummoxes Kurt, he could not even look at her without her flinching.

She explains. She is Kitty from the future, Kate. She tells the terrible tale, and that they chose this time to come back to because they believe this is where things began to go wrong, and it was also a time when Kitty was still untrained, her psychic defences would not be strong enough to stop the mind swap.

In only a few hours, she claims that a new Brotherhood of Mutants will attack a conference in Washington, the result will be the death of Senator Robert Kelly, a man that has been working against the mutants since the Hellfire Club incident. Not only this but doctor Moira McTaggert and Professor Charles Xavier will die as well. This will tip paranoia over the edge and the events that will lead to the dystopian future will be set in motion. Basically they have to save a man who hates them.

The X-Men aren't convinced, but Wolverine is. He tells them that although Kitty looks like a kid, she stands, speaks and carries herself like a woman. They take the risk and head for Washington.

In the future the surviving X-Men escape the camp and vanish into the abandoned subway tunnels.

The sentinels however find them and in the first few seconds of the attack Franklin is killed. Rachael responds, revealing that she has telekinetic powers too, tearing the giant robot apart with her mind.

Battle is joined. The X-Men cut loose and ove3rcome the patrol... but they have already lost a member.

Back to the present: We are introduced to the new Brotherhood, their leader Mystique - a shape changer, Destiny and elderly precog, Avalanche can make the ground shake, Pyro a pyrotechnic and the Blob. It is obvious they are not a team used to working with one another but Mystique keeps them in line.

The debate rages on, and Professor Xavier is surprised to see his team arrive. When he reads her mind and realises the danger he begins to give instructions, but before anyone can react the walls are torn apart - The Brotherhood have arrived.

They advance but only take a few feet when a lightning bolt falls from above...

The New X-Men and New Brotherhood of Mutants face one another for the first time.

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The cover tells it all: Everybody dies!!!

The X-Men are thrown off balance by the attack of the Brotherhood, thrown onto the backfoot, quite literally as Avalanche pulls the ground from under their feet.

Only Angel and Kate Pryde avoid the conflict, Kate telling him that they need to protect Senator Kelly above all else.

Professor Xavier and Moira are led away from the scene by a police woman, but she suddenly turns on them and knocks them out with gas. She transforms into Mystique. Destiny arrives on the scene and tells Mystique that there is something wrong, something undefined, some kind of anomaly is interfering with her ability to see the future.

In the future the surviving X-Men begin a last desperate attack on the command centre of the Sentinels - the Baxter Building. They overpower the guard robot and gain entry to the building, allowing Storm, Wolverine and Colossus to begin their assault. Rachael stays hidden away, protecting the body of Kate Pryde, in which Kitty sleeps unaware.

The X-Men are hampered being inside as they fight the Brotherhood, and Storm feels that they are losing because she is not the leader Cyclops was, all the same she uses her abilities to blow the main combatants out the wall and the fight really takes off outside, with the army getting involved, not caring about who they fire at.

Colossus is overwhelmed by the Blob, while Wolverine gets fried by Pyro, then as he recovers Nightcrawler offers him a quick escape, only for Nightcrawler to be attacked by Nightcrawler!

Wolverine is ready to wade and kill the false Nightcrawler, figuring that the real one would teleport out the way, but Storm not only tells him not to, but enforces the command, and Wolverine actually listens.

Instead he helps Colossus, using his body as the balance for an I-beam which allows Colossus to lever the Blob into the air, and as he comes down knock him into the middle of next week! Not only that but he lands on Avalanche.

Storm lets loose one of the biggest rain torrents she has ever attempted right above Pyro, putting out his fires.

One of the Nightcrawlers knocks the other down. The fallen one transforms into Mystique, who surprises Nightcrawler with an intimate release of information about his past, as he reacts stunned she escapes, changing shape.

As they recover the X-Men realise that Kate has vanished...

In the future: The X-Men reach the command centre. The door of the elevator opens and Wolverine is thrown Fastball special at the nearest Sentinel, but it turns fat too quickly, incinerating him in mid air, leaving only a smoking skeleton...

Storm fries the robot, then another as more arrive, but a third fires a spike that impales her and she falls into Colossus' arms.

Driven into a grief fuelled rage the mutant attacks...

Outside Rachael stays with Colossus, linked with his mind as he dies, leaving her alone with Kate's body.

Destiny has cornered Kelly. She prepares to shoot him, but her mind and body are torn apart as Kate phases through her, the temporal anomaly she represents more than the precog can stand. She fires the bolt, but it misses. Kate's mind is torn free and Kitty returns wondering what the hell is going on.

With most of the Brotherhood in custody the X-Men make their exit.

But later Kelly meets with Sebastian Shaw, where they are introduced to Peter Henry Gyrch - (a bureaucrat last used in the Avengers. Kelly is furious that mutants tried to kill him, and although he was saved by a mutant, it cuts no mustard.

Shaw suggests a solution: Sentinels.
 

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The movie has made some obvious changes to the story - it is Wolverine that travels back in time, but according to all I have read they are keeping the core of the story in place:

There is a dystopian future where most of the worlds superbeings and mutants have been wiped out and the survivors live in internment camps. (When we say all it means those owned by Fox, which is The X-Men and Fantastic Four (Disney have most of the others, except Spider-man)

But as FF have Galacticus, there is no reason he could not appear in the X-Men movie.

It is meant to be a watershed as Fox try to copy the Disney template and have solo adventures leading to a group movie. So start cheering for your favourite X-Man, the chances of them getting a solo film have just picked up.

Mouse - (Gambit?)

Combining this expansion of films with this:

The Defenders are Coming

Could mean pure overkill of Marvel Superheroes
 
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If Gambit doesn't get his own film soon, I'm going on a rampage.

I'll probably watch this. I mean, it's X-Men. But I will be scowling at Wolverine throughout.
 

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Btw, I'll be interested to see how on earth Xavier is still alive, when surely we saw him killed by the Dark Phoenix?

Also, was that Galacticus at the end credits of the last X-Men film? Or was it the Avengers? Apologies - may be mixing up my films here!
 

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Looks interesting. Agreed it will be interesting how they manage to resurrect prof. X.

My thoughts on how to bring him back - Maybe he never died. maybe he was 'transported' somewhere. Perhaps into the realm of the Shadow King?

Most important thing in my opinion is Singer at the helm once more. Can only be an improvement.
 

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Btw, I'll be interested to see how on earth Xavier is still alive, when surely we saw him killed by the Dark Phoenix?

Also, was that Galacticus at the end credits of the last X-Men film? Or was it the Avengers? Apologies - may be mixing up my films here!

It was at the end of the Avengers and it was Thanos.

Galactus is licensed with the Fantastic Four (and even appeared - badly in the second FF movie)

At the end of X3 (I know it was bad, I did watch it) there was a hint that Professor X had survived by transplanting his mind in someone else's body.

Sorry Mouse I know it HAS to happen, but in the meantime you will be delighted to know Hugh Jackman has signed to do another Wolverine film. Yay.
 

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Yes, it was definitely Thanos at the end of The Avengers...that jawline is unmistakable. Plus, he worships death (and so smiles at the underling's last comment in the film), while Galactus is just....hungry (not to mention MUCH larger).

And Marvel was (and is) about nothing if not crossovers, so the likelihood that villains will remain aligned with the superheroes in the films is slim to nil. In fact, there's one crossover in the comic books where Thanos actually teams with Professor X to defeat a "good" threat to the universe.

Thanos, of course, opens the door for Adam Warlock, Captain Marvel (two of my favorite characters) in coming films, so I'm interested to see where they take it next.
 

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Hey ho Grim, Marvel is slightly legally tied by who has the copyright for various characters, they are spread over three production companies none who feel like sharing. Marvel are probably regretting signing out the contracts, but that was before they were bought by Disney.

The biggest disagreement so far has been over Quicksilver - a regular X-character and a popular member of the Avengers. After a lot of negotiating he will be appearing in two films, but they are not allowed to cross reference or use the same actor.

Sad really.

Despite appearing at the end of Avengers it looks likely that Thanos is more of a link for the forthcoming Guardians of the Galaxy movie; the big bad in Avengers 2 is Ultron.

All this useless knowledge I have eh?

Could do with some pictures...

Oh and a version of Captain Marvel may well be appearing in Avengers 2
 

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Hiya Perp.

Had meant to observe your earlier point about who owns the copyrights as likely the ONLY limiting factor where the crossovers were concerned, so yes, sadly I must agree!

Of course, it's not all bad....Ultron can usher in the Inhumans (other than possibly Quicksilver, of course), unless they've already been sold to one of the competitors...

Between his story lines and the copyright deals, I don't understand how Stan Lee hasn't gone schizophrenic....:D
 

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He's just rolling in the money and laughing.

It's funny how the characters cannot interact depending on copyright holder, but Stan Lee appears in all Marvel movies no matter who has the rights...
 

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Because even though the Wolverine films have been either critically panned or been seen as distinctly average they make money and Wolverine remains one of the popular and most overused characters in comics.

They are probably thinking that something makes him work on the page sooner or later they'll get it right on the screen.
 

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I like Wolverine, but agree that he's over-emphasized. While I haven't seen the most recent offering yet, I think the film that came closest to giving him a role close to what I remember in the classic comics was the first X-Men film (which while it had a lot of him had to also introduce the rest of the characters, too, so it kind of had no choice). As has been noted with the comments about Gambit (another of my favorites) and Bishop, there's too much more to get to in the X-men pantheon.

He's just rolling in the money and laughing.

It's funny how the characters cannot interact depending on copyright holder, but Stan Lee appears in all Marvel movies no matter who has the rights...

I know, and every time I see him I can't help wonder if he's remembering the folks who helped get him there. Met Jack Kirby in a local comic store before he died, and while I was grateful to have the experience (and get a signed copy of a Daredevil he did), I can't help wondering if all those creative folks whose wonderful work gave us these characters and stories are getting the short end of the stick.

OK, I'll stop hijacking the thread now.
 

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Nothing wrong with hijacking a thread if it is still slightly on subject. And these films make various people and awful lot of money.

I'm not so sure on the ins and outs of Stan Lee's connection with Marvel. When it all started at Timely comics he was just work for hire, same as Kirby and Ditko and all the others, how it turned out that his name was (and remains) at the start of every comic I don't know; but many of them were certainly (and understandably) aggrieved with the way they were treated, getting next to nothing for the characters they helped create. The whole nasty issue of creators rights.

There are not many of these greats left alive, Stan being the only one I can think of off the top of my head, but did he have anything to do with the others not getting their rewards, or was he the one who did and is a living vindication for all the others. I really do not know.

As a final aside. I've seen it said that he rode Kirby's coat tales and made his name off creations he only had a vague hand in, but when you look at the roster of characters he co-created his name is there alongside many different artists which seems to indicate he had a hand in the lightning.

Comics are that rare medium where it is the combination of art and writing that work. A great artist is can draw an excellent page of art, but it is the words that truly cause it to ascend.

That being said, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that a lot of the ideas behind the X-Men were Kirby's!
 

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I like Wolverine, but agree that he's over-emphasized.

Oh, yes, definitely!:rolleyes:

Hugh is great, but he has had two movies of his own, plus a major role in the X-men trilogy. The only X-men movie he had no significant role in was First Class.
At this point, Michael Fassbender's Magneto is a far more inspiring character than Wolverine, in my opinion.
 

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