Interesting. What is written about Varys's sister in the series?Koopa I wanted to comment here on a post you made in your dance with dragons re-read thread. You put forth the theory that Serra, Ilyrio's wife (whose hands he kept) is varys' sister, and that Varys and Serra are blackfyres, .
We will just have to hope and pray that the raise doesn't get rained out.If they cancel the race.
as far as I can recall, nothing. not even sure he HAS a sister, since we don't really know the truth behind his background. there are people in this forum who even question if he is a Eunuch. But it is possible he has a sister, or a brother. He probably has aunts and uncles and cousins and all manner of family, we just don't know who they are because we don't know who HE is.Interesting. What is written about Varys's sister in the series?
Dear George R.R. Martin,
We, the fans of your book series, A Song of Ice and Fire, request you to hurry up and finish your next book: The Winds of Winter.
It's not that we're tired of waiting, but there was this post on reddit about Tyrion being the Stallion that Mounts the World and Mirri Maz Duur and time traveling fetuses. We believe it's time.
I think that was a scheme which Varys knew about and didn't do anything to prevent it. That one suited him just fine. He needed to get rid of Tywin before Tywin could create too much order in the kingdom. He needed to rock the Lannisters too as they were getting a bit too firm of a grasp on power.Plus let's not forget that it was Liitlefinger's scheme to kill Joffrey, a scheme which resulted in Varys' hand being forced in saving Tyrion and sending himself (Varys) underground. I really doubt that Varys would have been onside with that one!
As to the first point, a fair bit happens in between Varys saying he needed to delay chaos and Eddard going down. Viserys commits suicide, and Eddard also proves too dumb to live by telling Cersei what he knew, which sped up her plans to off Robert. Events were speeding up so I think Varys decided to roll with them. Littlefinger also offered Eddard advice that would have allowed him to survive, but since he was determined to go his own honourably dumb way there really was no saving the man. Or maybe neither Varys or Littlefinger thought they would survive a man like Stannis being in power. Of course with Littlefinger it's always questionable how genuine that advice was, especially since Eddard's death would make Catelyn conveniently widowed.In the first book, Varys was adamant that he needed to delay the chaos and he did his damnest to prevent Ned's death as it would set off the wars. Since it seems that Jon Arryn planned to stay silent on the whole incest thing, his removal hadn't benefited Varys either as Eddard was much likelier to reveal it to Robert should he uncover it. Not to mention that after Jon's death, it was quite possible Tywin or Jaime would take the office thus making the Lannisters all too powerful. Tyrion wasn't a hand anymore because Tywin returned and Cersei did her best to besmirch his work.
I admit that I don't remember what Varys says to his Associate about Littlefinger. But I do remember Littlefinger telling Sansa that sometimes you need to make moves that don't make sense, or even seem to work against you, so that your enemies are never sure what you will do next. This could be a tactic that Varys uses as well.@MeemoryTale I disagree with the Varys-Littlefinger alliance idea. Varys made it pretty clear early on, in a talk with his closest associate that Littlefinger works for Littlefinger and that he was hard to control and manipulate. I think that the reason Littlefinger was getting rid of the Hands had more to do with creating chaos so he could advance than anything else. Besides, the timing of some things Littlefinger did does not suit Varys' plans too well. It is much likelier that Varys simply used what Littlefinger gave him to work with. He is a juggler, after all.
To Illyrio.Littlefinger... the gods only know what game Littlefinger is playing.
To Eddard.Littlefinger is the second most devious man in the Seven Kingdoms.
While Eddard is in the dungeon. (Note: I am inclined to believe that Varys-Eddard talk in the dungeon is one of the rare moments where Varys actually spoke his mind, only exceeded by Varys' conversation with Kevan in epilogue of ADWD)Eddard: Are you in league with Littlefinger?
Varys: I would sooner wed the Black Goat of Qohor.
Well, no Varys told Eddard that was his plan, and used a veiled threat to his daughter's safety to get him to go along with it - what was he going to say? "I know you don't like me, but would you mind confessing to things you haven't done so I can get your head lopped off to bring back the family you helped depose? k'thanx"Even with Viserys dead, there was no way Dorthraki would be ready to go west. They were far from ready and Varys wanted Ned alive. It is indisputable because Varys plan was to send Eddard to the wall and keep peace for a while yet.
Unless I haven't gotten to that bit yet, it wasn't actually confirmed Cersei ordered Moore to kill Tyrion. He only speculated it, much the same way we only have speculation that Joffrey sent the assassin to kill Bran. Interestingly Tyrion's investigation into Moore did show that if he wasn't in the Kingsguard, he would have been sworn to the Eerie.His death was planned by Cersei. He was never supposed to be a permanent Hand, only until Tywin got there. At that point, Varys actually benefited from a capable Hand like Tyrion since it balanced out the power ratios. Without Tyrion, KL would have fallen to Stannis. Varys doesn't want to always get rid of capable people. He wants to get rid of them when they disturb the balance of chaos by introducing too much order which puts one side in a too much of a favourable position.
I've just reread that conversation, and Varys complained about Littlefinger's meddling making things move too fast and that he doesn't know what game he's playing. Illyrio did actually say something that made me think Varys had some involvement in Jon Arryn's death. "If one hand can die, why not another? You have danced this dance before." and Varys' reply was "Before is not now, and this Hand is not the other."I actually Like the idea that Varys and Littlefinger are working together. To me, it actually seems really likely. Now, I don't think they are really that close, and I think their goals might differ in the end, but I fully expect that they are making use of each other.
That was so not the point. The point is, Varys wanted Ned alive. Had Ned not confessed, there would have been an execution. Confess, and go to The Wall. Don't confess and die. And if you die a traitor's death, just remember that Sansa is here and we have her. It was the deal and Varys went to quite the lengths to procure it. Also, Varys was there secretly. He went there in his disguise that nobody at the time knew. It was just that Joffrey messed it up.Well, no Varys told Eddard that was his plan, and used a veiled threat to his daughter's safety to get him to go along with it - what was he going to say? "I know you don't like me, but would you mind confessing to things you haven't done so I can get your head lopped off to bring back the family you helped depose? k'thanx"
I prefer Aegon at the moment. It doesn't even matter if he isn't Rhaegar's Aegon. The significance of Aegon there isn't of Aegon the Conqueror as one would assume. It is of Aegon V.My reread hasn't gotten to Dance with Dragons yet, so I can't comment about how advanced the plan with Aegon (or fAegon if you prefer) might be at this stage, but it does take time to disrupt a realm in such a way it would be ready at about the time he could come over. Too much chaos and the seven kingdoms would descend into anarchy, too little and whoever wins the war of five kings can get happily ensconced and give Dany or Aegon a real battle when they're ready to come over.
Also Illyrio sent for Dany at the end of Clash of Kings/start of Storm of Swords, I forget which exactly. Only she decided to go off and buy Unsullied instead and get involved in the slave cities. This is a carefully timed plan, and a lot of wild cards keep popping up to trip things up
Tyrion speculated, but at the time, nobody else would benefit from it. It would be chalked up to the battle and no passions would truly arise there. No benefit for anyone to remove Tyrion who would have to leave anyway as soon as Tywin came there no matter how capable Tyrion might be. LF and Varys both have more use of Tyrion surviving this assassination attempt as it furthers the discord between Cersei and Tyrion which causes tensions in the Lannister family. Not to mention that Tyrion can be used to further discord in Lannister family as he is the one that sticks out.Unless I haven't gotten to that bit yet, it wasn't actually confirmed Cersei ordered Moore to kill Tyrion. He only speculated it, much the same way we only have speculation that Joffrey sent the assassin to kill Bran. Interestingly Tyrion's investigation into Moore did show that if he wasn't in the Kingsguard, he would have been sworn to the Eerie.
That really means nothing but that Hands are vulnerable and can be rid off. It doesn't go to say that Varys partook in death of Jon Arryn. It just goes to say that Varys managed to "outdance" Jon's death and keep the status quo. After all, Jon knew for quite a while (or had suspicions of) whose children Joffrey, Tommen, and Myrcella were and didn't seem to keen on telling. For as long as he intended to keep his mouth shut while Robert lived, he was perfect hand for Varys as he could be detonated at any moment which served Varys best. Ned was more volatile. Varys intervened many times to put Ned on his guard, but also to drive him in circles.I would go as far as to theorize that Varys' plan was for the North to cast their lot with Stannis in order to keep the fighting very balanced. Just remember that without Melisandre's involvement in Renly's death, Stannis would have only a meagre force. And Jon's death brought either Lannisters or Eddard as Hand, none of which were suited more than Jon for Varys' purposes.I've just reread that conversation, and Varys complained about Littlefinger's meddling making things move too fast and that he doesn't know what game he's playing. Illyrio did actually say something that made me think Varys had some involvement in Jon Arryn's death. "If one hand can die, why not another? You have danced this dance before." and Varys' reply was "Before is not now, and this Hand is not the other."
This is actually the best argument that I have seen to say that they aren't working towards the same goal. Surely Varys would tell Illyrio, his closest and oldest conspirator, if they were. However this doesn't necessarily mean they aren't or haven't worked together in some things.Littlefinger... the gods only know what game Littlefinger is playing.