New movie The Wolverine

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Found it somewhat predictable and weak, and below average. Women fall for Wolverine for no other reason than he's the protagonist. It looks like it was loosely based on the Claremont/Miller graphic novel, which to be honest was also weak but at least had a sense of tragedy through the death of Mariko - something that never happens in the film.
 

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I forgot the thread!

I got the film for Christmas and we really enjoyed it, it is a considerable step up from the previous Wolverine movie, but then that would not be hard.

As Brian said it is loosely based on the Claremont/Miller limited series, but it draws on so much else that it is hard to see the original there at all.

The opening scenes with Wolverine hunting the hunters who poisoned the bear is straight from the original, but it departs considerably. Logan had already met Mariko, and they were already in love. The head of Clan Yashida was Shingen who had no previous connection with Wolverine. Yukio was a street Ronin with no relationship with Clan Yashida, and Harada was Shingen's son, the Silver Samurai.

I think Brian is confusing different sources, because the Miller/Claremont series ends with the corrupt Shingen being killed by Wolverine, and Mariko and Logan announcing their engagement. (The story picks up in the Uncanny X-Men where she rejects him at the altar, probably one of the greatest Wolverine moments - "My love is for a man not a beast trapped in human form!" Go on Mariko break it to him gently, it turns out to be the mutant MAstermind who is manipulating events, but once Cyclops saves the day.) Wolverine and Mariko do not get back together as she feels it's her duty to clean her family of all mob/yakuza influences. She dies (real time) about ten years later, well after Claremont had left the title. (I think).

Phew.
 

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It was definitely better than Origins, Perp. I still can't watch that film!

Women fall for Wolverine for no other reason than he's the protagonist.
I didn't like that either but I let it slide because I know Wolverine and Mariko are a couple in the comics. There was no chemistry and any sort of reasoning why they'd be attracted to each other in the film though.
 

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As for the film itself, it was a definite step up on the previous (and a third is almost certainly going to go ahead, although whether it is Wolverine 3 or The Wolverine 2 who knows. Jackman is apparently onboard)

There were some good set pieces, and it was nice to see them using Japanese actors and actresses, rather than known faces. Although the story worked well enough, and I liked various elements, I did not like how they got there. Wolverine losing the claws good, a giant adamantium clad Samurai with a sword that could cut through the claws not so...)

I'm not sure just how the stealing of the healing factor would work. Why would it leave Wolverine, rather than just be copied? It is part of his genetic makeup, you'd have to alter him at a basic genetic level to get rid of it.

Viper was a second class Avengers foe, but shifted over to Wolverine later. I quite liked the way she was handled, even though she was made more powerful than in the comics, but missed her dark hair! (She is not a mutant there either).

I quite liked the lack of other mutants, it made it much more intimate and about Wolverine rather than the previous film which was more like an X-Men movie.

Did not like all the Jean Grey appearances. She was not needed, and seemed to detract from the story of a wild man falling for a cultured and civilised woman. (She starts off almost as a delicate young thing in the comics, and grows into an astute business woman)

The hidden end piece was obviously tagged on, but set up the coming Days of Future Past brilliantly.

In all a flawed film, but a definite step up on the last couple of 'original' X-films, but not quite as good as First Class. With the Fox licensed parts of the Marvel Universe coming under a more controlled guiding hand from this point, perhaps TDoFP might really reboot the X-Men and Fantastic Four and give us something really special from now on.

Oh, and one thing that would have really improved the movie would have been an appearance by Gambit... ;)
 

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As for the film itself, it was a definite step up on the previous (and a third is almost certainly going to go ahead, although whether it is Wolverine 3 or The Wolverine 2 who knows. Jackman is apparently onboard)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! He's so boring. Don't we know enough about him now, ffs? One of the other characters should have a chance.

The hidden end piece was obviously tagged on, but set up the coming Days of Future Past brilliantly.
Oh, I forgot there'd be a bit after credits and turned it off! Oops. What happened?

Oh, and one thing that would have really improved the movie would have been an appearance by Gambit... ;)
There were a couple of moments I thought, it'd be so awesome if Gambit showed up now!

Days of Future Past looks good though. Although I'll miss Gambit again.
 

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End Credits Spoiler:

Spoiler

I think DoFP is going to reboot everything, so everyone will be alive again, and might pave the way for more characters. Like Gambit.
 

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Eugh, yeah, I'm bored with Wolverine now. New character please, preferably a lady one. A new Elektra film, as she is in Frank Miller's Assassin special. In fact, just do that series in film form!
 

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Interesting... but how in the holy hell is Xavier there then? "You're not the only one with gifts" is a horribly weak explanation.
 

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Eugh, yeah, I'm bored with Wolverine now. New character please, preferably a lady one. A new Elektra film, as she is in Frank Miller's Assassin special. In fact, just do that series in film form!
I would love it if they did that Hoops, but as we well know, no matter how good the original comic material is, the films just have to change it. If they made the Proteus/Dark Phoenix saga just as it appears in the comics I'd be in heaven...

Interesting... but how in the holy hell is Xavier there then? "You're not the only one with gifts" is a horribly weak explanation.
I think that is the tease to draw you in. At the end of X-Men three is there not a scene where a man in a coma wakes up?

X-Men 3
 

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I think that is the tease to draw you in. At the end of X-Men three is there not a scene where a man in a coma wakes up?
Yeah, but a completely different man. I could swallow it if they used a different actor. But why does he still look like Patrick Stewart and why is he still in a wheelchair? I think they shot themselves in the foot by killing Xavier off.

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You know what film I'd like to see, but failing a Gambit film, I'd love a Gambit & Rogue one. Proper, adult Rogue with all her powers.
 

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I'm sure it could be argued that Xavier is warping the minds of people around him to perceive him as he was...

And a G & R film, well that's work wonders. You never know...
 

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Yeah, but a completely different man. I could swallow it if they used a different actor. But why does he still look like Patrick Stewart and why is he still in a wheelchair? I think they shot themselves in the foot by killing Xavier off.

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You know what film I'd like to see, but failing a Gambit film, I'd love a Gambit & Rogue one. Proper, adult Rogue with all her powers.
the extended "reality" from X3 has it (from Brett Ratner) that the "Hello Moira" man is in fact Professor Xavier's twin brother, who, whilst in utero, Charles mind-wiped. (it was a movie-continuity version of the Charles/Cassandra Nova thing)
 

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the extended "reality" from X3 has it (from Brett Ratner) that the "Hello Moira" man is in fact Professor Xavier's twin brother, who, whilst in utero, Charles mind-wiped. (it was a movie-continuity version of the Charles/Cassandra Nova thing)

Thanks for that! I've only got the basic version of the film and thought nothing could possess me to get another version....
 

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I just read that there might be a plan to make a third Wolverine film... I wonder what the story will be for this one??
 
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