Kindle books versus oldfashioned ones ??

[anivid]

...or to return the the beginning of the book without paging back the full number of pages read. (At least I haven't found the way to do this. But it befuddles me why that would not be there, it would seem to be an easy thing to program into the machine.)

Hello Parson - long time no see
Going back to the first page (of a book or a chapter) shouldn't be that difficult.
When reading it the first time, place a bookmark on the first page (of the book and if wanting so of every chapter) - hence later on you'll just press the bookmark - and voilà - the wanted page is there
Good idea, eh ??

 

[Valer]

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Kindles, and I assume every ereader allows you to page back and forth. What is really missing from the Kindle is the ability to go back x number of pages, or to return the the beginning of the book without paging back the full number of pages read. (At least I haven't found the way to do this. But it befuddles me why that would not be there, it would seem to be an easy thing to program into the machine.)

I would like to play with real pages, so I want to have a ereader with 2-3 flexible pages beteen 2 rigid covers. Or at least 2 rigid on the internal part of the covers. This way I will have 2 pages visible all the time.

 

[chongjasmine]

I just recently purchased an ereader from pandigital.
It had not arrived at my house, yet, but I am looking forward to reading with it.
I had many ebooks in my thumb drive, ebooks which I am looking forward to reading with my erader when it arrives.

 

[billhafan]

Sure you won't be disappointed - the best thing I can say about the Kindle is that my other half is a techno-phobe , yet has taken to the ereader like a duck to water, and she uses it every day.

 

[Parson]

Hello Parson - long time no see
Going back to the first page (of a book or a chapter) shouldn't be that difficult.
When reading it the first time, place a bookmark on the first page (of the book and if wanting so of every chapter) - hence later on you'll just press the bookmark - and voilà - the wanted page is there
Good idea, eh ??

Indeed a good idea. But last night I discovered how to do this without a bookmark. You hit the menu button and there is a "Go to...." tab. ENTER. Up pops a screen with several choices. You can pick "Beginning" there, enter, and voila, you are at the beginning. I have now discovered that you have several options of pages (in some books) location (by Kindle numbers) end, cover, or table of contents.

My frustration now is more particular. One of my books is a free Bible, and I would like to punch in Psalm 140 (for example) but that is not allowed. You cannot even go to the table of contents and go to Psalms directly. You have to guess/know the appropriate Kindle number to locate it. It turns out Psalm 57 is location 75285 out of 220776 (sigh!). But at least I will now be able to page through Psalms when I make my calls by punching in location 75000 and go from there. (I have occaisionally made calls when I don't have my pocket Bible but do have my Kindle. -- I fear what that says about me. )

 

[anivid]

Ho-ho, that was a REALLy good idea with this "go to..." button.
I can follow you through the most, but this "location" choice doesn't tell me a lot.
When I press it, it just go back to where I came to in the book I'm in the middle of reading.
I don't know anything about Kindle numbers, it doesn't show page number, but percentages, right ??
The psalms you're using most often - you COULD book mark, right ??

I've been downloading a lot of free extracts from books I MIGHT be interested in - that's a very fine device Amazon got there, I can tell - and I think it counts for ALL Kindle books, that you can download a free extract before buying
BUT, but, but - How to have all those things ORGANISED in the Kindle menu ??
On the PC we're used to be able to create a map for docs which we find are alike (a certain author e.g.) - but such thing I haven't found on the Kindle - and in the Calibre, they told me to download, I haven't found anything smart as of yet
But time will show - it normally does
Well, one doesn't need one's pocket-bible when knowing the important stuff by heart - having it internalised, so to speak

 

[billhafan]

Indeed a good idea. But last night I discovered how to do this without a bookmark. You hit the menu button and there is a "Go to...." tab. ENTER. Up pops a screen with several choices. You can pick "Beginning" there, enter, and voila, you are at the beginning. I have now discovered that you have several options of pages (in some books) location (by Kindle numbers) end, cover, or table of contents.

My frustration now is more particular. One of my books is a free Bible, and I would like to punch in Psalm 140 (for example) but that is not allowed. You cannot even go to the table of contents and go to Psalms directly. You have to guess/know the appropriate Kindle number to locate it. It turns out Psalm 57 is location 75285 out of 220776 (sigh!). But at least I will now be able to page through Psalms when I make my calls by punching in location 75000 and go from there. (I have occaisionally made calls when I don't have my pocket Bible but do have my Kindle. -- I fear what that says about me. )

Hi Parson - try out http://www.free-holy-bible-download.com/p/king-james-edition.html it appears to have a full TOC and index. Might be what you are looking for

 

[Parson]

Ho-ho, that was a REALLy good idea with this "go to..." button.
I can follow you through the most, but this "location" choice doesn't tell me a lot.
When I press it, it just go back to where I came to in the book I'm in the middle of reading.
I don't know anything about Kindle numbers, it doesn't show page number, but percentages, right ??
The psalms you're using most often - you COULD book mark, right ??

As I understand it. The bottom of the screen shows your progress in percentage through the book. The Kindle numbers are a way of locating things in your Kindle. A few weeks ago I had a note come across my desk referencing a notation in a book and along with the page number, there was a Kindle number so that you could find the spot if you had the book on Kindle. Which may say that we are about to enter a new age of reference material.

Well, one doesn't need one's pocket-bible when knowing the important stuff by heart - having it internalised, so to speak

Well, there is that. I have the thrust and scope of the holy Writ internalized. I can almost always tell if you are actually quoting Scripture or blowing smoke. But I have embarrassingly small amount of verses memorized. I more likely to say "It says in Romans...." because I will not know the chapter and the verse and I will be paraphrasing.

Billhafan: I have downloaded the Bible but don't have my Kindle with me. I will take a look at this. Thanks for the link.

 

[billhafan]

Billhafan: I have downloaded the Bible but don't have my Kindle with me. I will take a look at this. Thanks for the link.

you're most welcome - you might also want to download the free kindle reader for PC? here's the link.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=kcp_pc_mkt_lnd?docId=1000423913

Calibre book manager is also a must, IMHO, as it will organise books, and will also convert almost anything to any format ... there's also a reader built into it.

 

[steve12553]

I just recently purchased an ereader from pandigital.
It had not arrived at my house, yet, but I am looking forward to reading with it.
I had many ebooks in my thumb drive, ebooks which I am looking forward to reading with my erader when it arrives.

Depending on the model Pandigitals will run Kindle or Nook programs that between the two will read almost any ebooks. The programs (I should have at least one installed) are free downloads. I enjoy mine nearly as much as a book.

 

[Moonbat]

You can search for a word or phrase within a book on your kindle. So depending on how the psalms are headed you might be able to search for Psalm 57.

in the book, click Menu, then select Search This Book, it will show you the location (in kindle numbers) of each option that comes up. You can select the location you want and skip to it by clicking on the underloned Location XXX.

As you can search for more than 1 word, you could search for a phrase in the psalm if it doesn't have any kind of heading that says Psalm 57

 

[Parson]

You can search for a word or phrase within a book on your kindle. So depending on how the psalms are headed you might be able to search for Psalm 57.

in the book, click Menu, then select Search This Book, it will show you the location (in kindle numbers) of each option that comes up. You can select the location you want and skip to it by clicking on the underloned Location XXX.

As you can search for more than 1 word, you could search for a phrase in the psalm if it doesn't have any kind of heading that says Psalm 57

Well I worked with this. It's a bit clunky, especially because searching for Acts 3 gets me 20 pages of hits, almost all of them in the footnotes, but it sure beats the alternatives. I also discovered that going to the table of contents can get you to chapters, and that the chapters are can be clicked as well. So it's better than I thought. Thanks for your help!

Bilhafan -- I got the Bible link on my Kindle and it works much the same as my other Bible but it's always good to have a KJV for my 80 and 90 year olds.

 

[glutton]

Kindle is great. Besides saving you physical, it gives you access to tons of excellent indy books you would have a tough time finding in print.

 

[Valko]

Another great feature they've recently added is whispersync voice. If you're like me & listen to audible books when travelling to work. If you have the same book on your Kindle & want to carry on reading the book when you get home, you can sync them to where the Audible book left off.
It's only on a few books at the moment but the range is getting bigger all the time

 

[Gumboot]

Okay, okay. People seem to say that they love their eReader, prefer it over paper books, etc,.


But let me ask you this: How much are you out if you ruin your eReader? How much if your Kindle gets old and no longer takes a charge, or if it gets stolen past warranty? If you ruin or lose a paper book, one is normally out no more than $10-$25, and the high end for being a new hardcover-and normally no more than $5 from a secondhand shop. Also, I would think that a paper book should be taking a high drop a bit better than a Kindle would. Say, from a second floor of stairs, perhaps by grabby kids?

I would easily save enough, buying eBooks instead of physical books, to replace my Kindle with a new one every year.

In any event, a Kindle is a claimable expense for me, so the cost isn't an issue. All of my business assets are insured, so if someone dropped it off a building I'd get a brand new one for free.

 

[Gumboot]

Yes I should have qualified about the wifi. I don't have it and I don't particularly need it. I buy on the PC and always have a (virtual) pile of bought books waiting to be read.

And yes that's why you don't need to turn your Kindle off; so long as you aren't turning pages it is effectively off all the time!

You can't turn a Kindle off. They don't even have a power switch. Because... well, they don't need them. They have a "sleep" mode, but that's mostly about deactivating the touchscreen so you don't accidentally lose your page.

 

[Gumboot]

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Kindles, and I assume every ereader allows you to page back and forth. What is really missing from the Kindle is the ability to go back x number of pages, or to return the the beginning of the book without paging back the full number of pages read. (At least I haven't found the way to do this. But it befuddles me why that would not be there, it would seem to be an easy thing to program into the machine.)

Ah... you can do both of those things on a Kindle. You can jump to any point in the book that you want, very easily.

 

[Gumboot]

My frustration now is more particular. One of my books is a free Bible, and I would like to punch in Psalm 140 (for example) but that is not allowed. You cannot even go to the table of contents and go to Psalms directly. You have to guess/know the appropriate Kindle number to locate it. It turns out Psalm 57 is location 75285 out of 220776 (sigh!). But at least I will now be able to page through Psalms when I make my calls by punching in location 75000 and go from there. (I have occaisionally made calls when I don't have my pocket Bible but do have my Kindle. -- I fear what that says about me. )

That sounds more like an issue with eBook than the Kindle. Kindle can only work off the indexing provided in the eBook, so if it's just a stream of text you won't be able to find anything.

Kindle has an "x-ray" function which provides incredibly comprehensive indexing of books, if the eBook is x-ray compatible. I would imagine for a text that functions like the Bible (which individual passages are indexed) finding a x-ray compatible version would be a must.

 

[Parson]

Gumboot:

I have been working with my Kindle more (lost some precious reading time to get this done) and can now go to the beginning of a book, or a known point. But I don't know anything about this x-ray feature, but both of my Bibles on the Kindle were free versions so probably this is one of the things I miss. The index, which I now use, does have the books of the Bible so I can go to Matthew, but not directly to Matthew 4 or what would even be better Matthew 4: 4 or such.

Hm, business expense? I hadn't thought of that. Great idea!

 

[anivid]

You can't turn a Kindle off. They don't even have a power switch. Because... well, they don't need them. They have a "sleep" mode, but that's mostly about deactivating the touchscreen so you don't accidentally lose your page.

Well, well, well - I turn my kindle off every time I'm finished reading.
But you obviously have another kindle than mine, which is Kindle 4 from 2011 - without wifi, but with usb connection for downloading

That sounds more like an issue with eBook than the Kindle. Kindle can only work off the indexing provided in the eBook, so if it's just a stream of text you won't be able to find anything.

Kindle has an "x-ray" function which provides incredibly comprehensive indexing of books, if the eBook is x-ray compatible. I would imagine for a text that functions like the Bible (which individual passages are indexed) finding a x-ray compatible version would be a must.

One of the things I'm not quite satisfied with is exactly the indexing - the automaton make it according to known principles as "author" or "title" - I should want an index where I can change the books around after my own wishes, and also where I can make maps (if that's the english word for it wherein to put several books/documents belonging together.
IMO the kindle came a bit fast from the R&D - for a non-wifi user to be grateful.
What I am grateful for though, is the possibility for reading the Kindle stuff on the computer with Amazon's free program for such thing.