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I'm not so sure, Wolverine is not just another fighter, he is skilled in various forms of fighting, backed up with his berserker rage, when that kicks in. He does not feel anything,is just a driven, near unstoppable killing machine. With him there is no such thing as a straightforward fight.

Gambit is skilled, a brilliant fighter, but he is not a violent man, he can do violence, is good at it, but take;s more enjoyment, he's a lover not a fighter.

From a distance he could charge his cards, or whatever, throw them, accurately , but Wolverine would be hard to hit, and when he was damaged the amount of power that Gambit could put out in the short space of time he would have, would not be enough to put Wolverine down or even slow him. (The bigger thing that Gambit charges, the more power he puts into it the longer it takes).

Wolverine once used to say, "I'm the best there is at what I do, and what I do best ain't nice." It wasn't a boast.

Mostly Wolverine would win.

That being said, he has immense respect for Gambit's fighting skills - he's no slouch either, often using him as a sparring partner. When recovering from serious injury, Wolverine trained with Logan again, and again and again. (And lost every time.) He knew he was better when he beat Gambit...
 

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Nooooooo! :p Gambit can just (if he gets the chance) charge up Wolverine's claws and cook him. Or (again, sorry for the imagery) the charged staff in the mouth thing. Head explodes.

Wolverine can heal himself, but he's not the freaking T-1000 from the Terminator! He can't assimilate himself, can he?!

Besides, Gambit is hotter and less hairy than Wolverine. Hotness = win.
 

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Magneto's powers seem like they were designed to neutralize Wolverine, whether its the comics, cartoon or the movies, everytime these two met, the latter always floated in the air paralysed, and in agony.

Wolverine is one of the few close-combat warriors of Marvel, that have to run towards their enemy and fight them at close range to do any damage. Most characters have some special power that allows them to hit their enemy from a distance, this makes me appreciate him as a character more.
Um, sorry what?
Close combat implies CLOSE combat... There are MANY close-combatants in Marvel... it would be fair to say DOZENS of them. Daredevil, She-Hulk, Hulk, Elektra, Luke Cage, Black Panther, Shatterstar, Warpath, Wolfsbane, Fantomex, X-23 and Daken (proving that Wolverine isn't unique at all), Sabretooth... the list goes on. The characters with active, RANGED powers are usually not close combat specialists. Steve Rogers/Captain America is one of the few who can play at range (thanks to his shield) and who can scrap with the best of them, as can the increasingly "Wolverine-esque-everywhere-syndrome" suffering Deadpool and Spider-man.

There are SOME ranged superheroes who can fight... Gambit being a very good example, indeed he defies categorisation as a ranged fighter or a melee one, since he's equally good at both. Its interesting to note that only amongst X-Men and Avengers do you find ranged powered people who can actually fight close up.

Also, how can you appreciate a character from the fact they have to close to fight? thats not character, its barely a characteristic...
 

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Nooooooo! :p Gambit can just (if he gets the chance) charge up Wolverine's claws and cook him. Or (again, sorry for the imagery) the charged staff in the mouth thing. Head explodes.

Wolverine can heal himself, but he's not the freaking T-1000 from the Terminator! He can't assimilate himself, can he?!

Besides, Gambit is hotter and less hairy than Wolverine. Hotness = win.
lol, hotness usually loses in a fight tho...

Wolverine, apparently, can regenerate his entire body from as little as single cell... Which is why in Forever, Storm had to completely FRY every cell in his body to kill him outright.

The problem with the whole charge the skeleton thing, Mouse, is that Gambit has to TOUCH the thing he's charging.... Would YOU like to try charging up a combat-crazy like Wolverine? COnsidering the size of wolverine, it would take at least a half minute to charge his whole skeleton - in that time our Remy has been eviscerated...
 

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Actually Mouse I agree with you on that one. Wolverine used to be a much more interesting character when there was the element of mortality, where he could take serious wounds, but too much would kill him, now he's all but indestructible, he might as well be Deadpool.

When he was nearly killed by Magneto, years ago, you got the impression he was really badly hurt and could have died, now if the same thing happened, the way he is currently written, he'd be better just like that.

To be completely honest I think Gambit has been severely misused in the comics. Within two pages of being introduced he became a favourite character of mine, but as writers changed and things moved on he lost something. (He's still a great character, and still a favourite X-Man, just not what he could have been)
 

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Not having read the comics, I remember being surprised at how quickly Wolverine healed when I went to see the very first X-Men film. He never healed like that in the cartoons, there's even one scene where he's all bandaged up and Jean makes some sort of comment about the injuries would take time for even him to heal.

I like the characters to have some sort of weakness. Even Gambit.
 

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Initially Wolverine did have weaknesses, as you say in the cartoon, there are scenes in the comics where he is wrapped tight in bandages and takes time to heal. Yes the wounds should have killed, but he survived and it took time and was painful.

But more recently he seems to be able to heal from just about anything, in many ways it's a shame, because it had diminished him.

Writer after writer has added their own mark, determined to do more and more damage to him and then bring him back, until even the decent top writers are unable to undo the (ironically) damage that has been done to him.

I think the reason Wolverine still stands so highly with many of us is the memory of what he was. He is still a great character, but is not what once he was, over-used and almost indestructible.

Perhaps it's better that Gambit has never been boosted in such a way it makes him a much more... interesting character.
 

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I guess it would be difficult keeping a character the same when there's so many different people writing them.
 

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I guess it would be difficult keeping a character the same when there's so many different people writing them.
And I think you have put your finger right on point of what is one of the biggest problems in comics today.
 

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I was going to start a new thread but figured I'd just resurrect this one.

Perp - I know we spoke about this in Exeter, but for the life of me I can't remember what you said.

I've just watched this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUEn5Fu_QiI on YouTube and the guy there says that Gambit's never gonna get his own standalone film.

He's not even going to be in the Days of Future Past film and, forgive me if I'm misremembering, but wasn't Gambit one of the main characters in that storyline?

So, there's going to be the new Wolverine film (no Gambit), Days of the Future Past film (no Gambit)... and what else? I'm getting really annoyed with there never being any Gambit in these things! Especially as he's hugely popular. I just watched some other featurette thing and even one of the film maker guys admitted that everybody's waiting to see Gambit. So why aren't we seeing him?
 

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Whoops, just seen this mouse, so sorry about the delay in responding!

Last I heard Fox (who own the rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four in the cinema) were rather jealous of the money and success that The Avengers movies were having and wanted to try and do something similar.

With that in mind they have hired Mark Millar to act as an overseer/co-ordinator and give the movies some kind of 'event' feel. This means that they will probably break the X-Men up into smaller teams or solo movies and give them a linking theme that will bring them together in a big X-Men set-piece just like the Avengers have done with Thor, Captain America etc. (Although it might drag the FF in as well).

With that said, the two new movies were put in place before Millar came onboard, so although he will have input it won't be as much in whatever follows.

The Wolverine (which you will love ;)) is based on a mid 80's limited series by Chris Claremont and Frank Miller. If they follow the strip (and it looks like it deviates a bit), it will be quite grounded and brutal.

Days of Future Past is based on a story by Claremont and John Byrne from before the Wolverine limited series. It has been retold and copied so many times in the comics, and again in the animated series that different characters have been used in each version etc.

The original though was back in the day when the team was a lot smaller and back when Gambit didn't exist so there is no reason for him to be there... but this is based on and from the looks of things it is going to be saturated with X-Men so who knows?

That being said one of the most powerful moments in the original comic strip is when the older version of Kitty, Kate Pryde walks through the interment camp there is a massive unending graveyard, and the stones on all the gravestones are familiar names. In order for it to have an emotional effect it will have to be names the viewer knows, so I would not be surprised to see Gambit's name on one of them.

Phew.

In the world of comic books, Gambit has had his own series for a while (not sure whether it is still going), but when they start the new X-Men plan after these two movies they will start drawing on the X-Men who have had successful solo titles. So there is a chance in the future Gambit might get something... but it is a long way off and depends on a lot of other factors.

To be fair he has not be handled that well at the moment in the comics, so his popularity might be a little down.

But only time will tell.

(If I ever don't respond to a question like this within a couple of days give me a virtual kick :D)
 

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Thank you, my ansum. So... looks like any Gambit film's still gonna be a long shot. Pah.
 

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Well when I went in the old comic shop today, I asked our in the know proprietor about how the comic was doing, and he said it sells well enough for him, but on the wider scale it seems to be suffering.

There is a lot of online talk of cancellation, but the comics keep coming and as far as he can see ahead there is no sign of cancellation.

The point being, if they keep being published, then there is enough interest in him to sustain a regular ongoing title (which outside of Wolverine not many X-Men have managed to do) and as such his profile should be high enough to make him a good candidate for a movie.
 

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I really hope so. I think he's popular even with non-comic people though. All the cartoon guys like me!
 

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it would be great to get Gambit a solo x-movie. He's certainly dynamic and entertaining enough.
There's only a short list of all-but-guaranteed solo films from the x-franchise - at least in the initial round of lets say 5 (like pre-Avengers). Wolverine has used up 2. Magneto is the strongest contender. Mystique too (though thats only likely if Jennifer Lawrence can be retained again - she brings a nice sized fan-base). Of actual x-men... really only Storm and Cyclops and Jean have the clout for a solo film in the first cycle. (and Storm only if Halle Berry is NOT retained... she's too old (and a nutjob to boot)).
Gambit could conceivably get a first cycle film but its a long shot. Like Ant Man and the The Guardians of the Galaxy... he's a second cycle type of character. Popular but not nearly as well known as the top tier characters.
 

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But, every time you hear something about X Men, someone always mentions Gambit. Always. And if you read all the stuff about the films and whatnot, there are always people saying they want a Gambit film. So I don't think that he's not well known enough. Before the Wolverine Origins film I hadn't really heard of Deadpool (only from computer games) and yet I've heard more talk about a film for him. No fair!
 

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Unfortunately (or fortunately) Deadpool is a very popular character and works really well in comics, if they were to make a movie in the same style it could be amazing - breaking the fourth wall and talking to the audience... but it probably would not be the way they would go.

As for Gambit, I always felt his first appearance was one of the best introductions I have ever seen, if they could bottle that version of Gambit it would be phenomenal
 

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Deadpool definitely is a fan favourite. I would love a proper Deadpool film, it would be hilarious!

I do wish they would branch out a bit more, though, we've seen far too much of Wolverine now.
 

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True. Unfortunately his popularity means he gets everywhere and the film makers see that, so Wolverine it is.

I would not mind so much if they did a decent Wolverine film.

So far his best appearance was in X-Men First Class
 
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