Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (2011)

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Well I agree with what you say about 2 & 3, but this looks different, it's (allegedly) not so continuity laden as the previous 2, a new fresh adventure, they've dropped Bloom and Knightley, just a fresh story featuring Jack Sparrow, who's excesses seemed to have been reined back in...

Obviously it's not going to be for everyone, but it could be better than it has any right to be. Or the Star Wars Prequels...
 

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I thought the 2nd was horrible and didn't bother seeing the 3rd (which I heard was even worse). However, I think there's a chance this could be good if they treat it with the same light-heartedness and fun as the 1st, which was excellent. Basing a movie on Johnny Depp is rarely a bad idea.
 

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I thought that 2 & 3 had some great moments and some good ideas, but everything was overwhelmed with the need for spectacle. All else was crushed under the weight of the next special effect. There were some good performances, but all in all it proved that bigger is not always better.

If they have gone back to their roots with this one, then as Digs says there is a chance it could be good.
 

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About damn time this thing got back into the spotlight. They've been annoying me with "In Production" for years now.

I loved the whole trilogy, but I'm a moviegoer of simple tastes: if it's flashy and it knows that it wants to be flashy, I will not fault it for it. So 2 and 3 were for me some of the best times I've ever had in a cinema, especially with friends.

What I'm most worried here is that Rob Marshal has yet to direct something of this sort so he's gonna be in trial by fire with it.
Well, we'll see how it turns out. I, for one, am definitely going to see it.
 

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What I'm most worried here is that Rob Marshal has yet to direct something of this sort so he's gonna be in trial by fire with it.
Well, we'll see how it turns out. I, for one, am definitely going to see it.

Well I agree with you, but the trailer certainly makes it look promising! (But then that IS a trailers job)
 

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Well I agree with you, but the trailer certainly makes it look promising! (But then that IS a trailers job)

Again, i'm with you here, I saw the trailer for a film called 'I bought a vampire motorbike' (or something like that) which looked promising in a B-movie-tastic way... upon viewing it turned out to be more of a D-movie-kak-tastic :D
 

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Walked out of the cinema an hour through the first, haven't watched the rest. First was dross. Don't really care beyond that.
 

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I've actually never met anyone who didn't like the first before. What were you expecting from it?
 

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To be honest, I didn't really have any expectations. I'd heard it was based on a Disney ride, and a few people had been to see it and said it was fun, but that was about it. I think my only real expectations were in Johnny Depp: I'd liked most of the stuff he'd done prior to POTC, and expected that - at least - he'd be entertaining. And he is...kind of. My problems with the first film were with Knightley and Bloom, both of whom I found utterly, utterly tedious, and with the plot, which I also found dull and largely unfunny.

But I know I'm in a minority. Of one, it seems at times. Only Mark Kermode seems to agree with me on this - and I'm not so sure that's a good thing...:D
 

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I thought that 2 & 3 had some great moments and some good ideas, but everything was overwhelmed with the need for spectacle. All else was crushed under the weight of the next special effect. There were some good performances, but all in all it proved that bigger is not always better.

If they have gone back to their roots with this one, then as Digs says there is a chance it could be good.

The problem I saw with 2 and 3 was they got caught up trying to make an epic. The first was some of the most fun anyone had had at the movies in a while. A semi-goofy plot with engaging villians and Depp at his best. Bloom and Knightley were nothing special, but did provide a great foil for CApt Jack, so they served their purpose.

Then in the second, suddenly it becomes a deep, heavy metaphor for freedom and imperialism and all kinds of other bizarre subtexts. They lost sight of what made it a success in the first place while going for a LOTR style Important Movie plot. It was a miserable failure. If this one can get away from that, I'm in.
 

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I just watched the trailer, and I'm not really that interested to see it. Probably due to the surreal antics of the third film by Capt. Jack Sparrow, no offense to Mr Depp who is a fine actor, but the writing for him was lame. I went back to enjoying the performance of Mr Rush as Capt. Barbosa (my favorite character) for the 2nd and 3rd film, but I see that in the trailer thet Capt. Barbosa has joined the other side and is working for England. That put me off :confused:, ah well, maybe this one will be better than the 3rd film (Capt. Barbosa was cool in that one, I saw more of him :rolleyes:).
 

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I just watched the trailer, and I'm not really that interested to see it. Probably due to the surreal antics of the third film by Capt. Jack Sparrow, no offense to Mr Depp who is a fine actor, but the writing for him was lame. I went back to enjoying the performance of Mr Rush as Capt. Barbosa (my favorite character) for the 2nd and 3rd film, but I see that in the trailer thet Capt. Barbosa has joined the other side and is working for England. That put me off :confused:, ah well, maybe this one will be better than the 3rd film (Capt. Barbosa was cool in that one, I saw more of him :rolleyes:).

I got the impression this was more a prequel... ie. this was before Barbosa became a pirate, not the other way around.
 

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I got the impression this was more a prequel... ie. this was before Barbosa became a pirate, not the other way around.

A prequel?

I had not thought of it like that at all, but having just re-watched the trailer I realised that there is nothing at all that says it could not be.

I figured at the end of the last film Jack had filched the map off Barbosa and I thought it was a map to the fountain of youth, which is what this new film is about... but I'm not certain about that by a long shot - and have no intention of digging the film out to confirm it.

My impression was that Barbosa (and possibly Jack) had been forced into the King's service as opposed to being there by choice.

But there is nothing that actually says that in the trailer... hmmm
 

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A prequel?

I had not thought of it like that at all, but having just re-watched the trailer I realised that there is nothing at all that says it could not be.

I figured at the end of the last film Jack had filched the map off Barbosa and I thought it was a map to the fountain of youth, which is what this new film is about... but I'm not certain about that by a long shot - and have no intention of digging the film out to confirm it.

My impression was that Barbosa (and possibly Jack) had been forced into the King's service as opposed to being there by choice.

But there is nothing that actually says that in the trailer... hmmm

I only saw the third once and it was a painful and quickly forgotten experience, so I don't recall what map you're talking about, but it does sound kind of familiar. In that event, I hope I'm right. Barbosa becoming a king's man AFTER these movies is a pretty disappointing thought.
 

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I've been on the Disney ride and I'd say the first was only loosely based on something that lasts 10 minutes. As for Captain Sparrow I thought he sailed off the end of the Earth in the previous films, or he should have. I will no doubt watch this on DVD though.
 

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I've been on the Disney ride and I'd say the first was only loosely based on something that lasts 10 minutes. As for Captain Sparrow I thought he sailed off the end of the Earth in the previous films, or he should have. I will no doubt watch this on DVD though.

If you've been on the ride in the last few years then you know that Jack Sparrow is a fixture in the exhibit now. So you can expect to keep seeing him elsewhere also. :D
 

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