Questions unanswered in the books

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  1. d66

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    Why, if Pol is the prefix for a woman sorcerer and disciple, and Bel for a male, is Polgara's sister named Beldaran?
    Will Ce-nedra live forever, because she doesn't seem to be tied to a particular tree?
    Do grolim priests who can use the will and the word live forever also?
    Why is there the mallorean if in the 5th book of the belgarion it is clearly stated that the earth shook and seemed to shift as where there where first 2 destinies there is now one?
    How come the Angaraks are having aboud 80% of the world in posession? (including the dals, kingdoms of the north of mallorea and so on) and how can 'the west' fight them if there are so many?
    Is the world round? Because it is spinning (book 3, belgarath explains why stars fall) but never is there talk about sailing from riva straight to mallorea.
    Why is zandramas already turning into stars before the choice was made?
    How can Polgara concentrate if she constantly has to listen to birds?
    How come they catch up on zedar, even though they ride through entire sendaria on slow wagons, have to go to val alorn, have to wait for horses in vo wachune, and go talk to korodullin, ran borune and xantha?
    How can Brill be knocked down on faldors farm when he is a trained and skilled fighter? How did he even know that he had to be there?

    Just a few things that spring to mind. Does someone know?
     
  2. Clansman

    Clansman Lochaber Axeman, QC

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  3. The Ace

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    Don't blame me, I voted, "Yes."
    Ce'Nedra does have a tree. An acorn from it was used to grow a sapling in preparation for her wedding.

    Beldaran wasn't a sorceress, her destiny lay elsewhere.

    The West could never have beaten the Malloreans, far less the Angaraks in an all-out war. Thankfully, that war never came.

    The prophecy predicted Zandramas' transformation.

    Brill, maybe wasn't afraid of Garion, but he was concentrating on Belgarath ( a very good idea if you've nowhere to run) and didn't sense Durnik until it was way too late.

    It's often mentioned that Polgara seems distracted.
     
  4. X'Nedra

    X'Nedra Well-Known Member

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    There you go - hope that helps. The more you read it, the more you pick up.
     
  5. devilsgrin

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    *Bel = Beloved. Beloved+Daran = Beldaran. It is one of the linguistic inconsistencies, but considering Beldaran was not talented, and Polgara was the elder, it would have been odd for to Pols... Poldaran doesn't look as nice either.
    *Ce'Nedra does have a tree, an acorn of which is presented by Princess Xera as a gift along with one from Queen Xantha's own tree.
    *Grolim Priest who can use the Will and the Word can only do so in the lands of the Angaraks, where there is worship of Torak (feasibly they could also possibly function in Sendaria with their 'worship" of all the gods including Torak). Torak's disciples, Urvon and Ctuchik did indeed gain immortality upon their ascension to the rank of Disciple. Belzedar was already an immortal, Torak didn't affect him the same way. Certain of the more powerful Grolims, particularly the Heirarchs of Cthol Murgos also lived longer lifespans.
    *The Resolution issue at the end of the Belgariad is the hardest one to swallow. The Retcon in Guardians of the West makes it out that Polgara's refusal of Torak wasn't the final confrontation after-all, just the final actual Battle between a Child of Light and a Child of Dark (they never fight each-other again) ((on closer examination, it is quite clearly Polgara's rejection of Torak, through Durnik's sacrifice, that forced him to fight Belgarion. had Polgara submitted, the result would have favoured Torak, as he'd have had that one person who loved him unconditionally, making him undefeatable).
    *The leaders of the West do NOT choose to go to war with the Malloreans. The portage of the Cherek fleet into the Sea of the East is exactly for this reason. Should 'Zakath land enough troops in the West, his position would make him unstoppable. With the Cherek fleet massacring his troops whilst at sea, going to War with the Western Angaraks isn't quite as daunting. Of course, Rhodar and Anheg make it clear. They have no chance to win a war of attrition with the Angaraks. Their efforts are merely a distraction to turn attention away from Belgarion, Belgarath and Silk's sneaking into Cthol Mishrak.
    * I think its clear that their world is round, they mention something that we would understand as different time-zones (when the three of them are in Drasnia i think, escaping from Polgara, about how much earlier it would be in Riva, than where they were). I suspect the concept of sailing west to reach the east simply hasn't occurred to anyone yet... or if it has, the Cherek (only a cherek would risk such open ocean) ship was probably lost at sea. Also, considering where they need to go in Mallorea, sailing all that way and then still having to cross Mallorea to get to its western coast, would be poor time management.
    *Polgara may indeed be listening to the birds a lot... certainly not continuously, lets not get carried away... she is a remarkably strong willed woman. Focussing her will, whilst hearing birds, was how she learnt in the beginning anyway. the bird thing was amongst the first things she learned, and anything afterwards would have been learned with the "distraction" having to be overcome.
    *Catching Zedar... they DON'T catch Zedar. Ctuchik captured Errand and the Orb from him, its not made clear how long before Silk and Belgarath found this information out, that this occurred, but the party does NOT CATCH him. IN fact they don't see Zedar until Cthol Mishrak right at the very end of the series.
    *Brill... two questions in this one. Brill's training is actually the cause of his being knocked out here. He is SO focussed upon Belgarath (the stuff of nightmares for all murgoes), and then Garion (who seeing how smart Brill is, its likely he'd figured out WHO Garion was), that Durnik sneaking up, as inept as it would be compared to brill or silk being stealthy, goes unnoticed.
    How did Brill know to be there? Polgara mentions to Belgarath that the Murgo who stayed for the Erastide feast may have recognised her (and with that white lock how could they not), and Brill replaced one of the farm-hands who'd married and moved away. That Brill also worked for asharak/chamdar could also explain how he knew where to be, as Chamdar had watched Garion since infancy.
     
  6. jennyjj

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    wow you really knw the belgariad and mallorean! i was read them as a child and loved them, although eddings is a funny one, i can never decide if he wrote the books for his kids? the time tracks, when elenium and tamuli came out later they were more adult as if his audience had grown up? just a thought, i wonder if he has any children
     
  7. Rommel

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    Sailing from Riva to Mallorea might simply be too far as well. Food, fresh water can only last so long. As to oout and out war between th ewest and all of Angerak, well You might have the most ground for you nation, but it doesn't mean it is as populated as the west, nor does it mean the people can fight as good. One Cherek can handle quite few angaraks, Hettar can take all murgos alone while Silk will either buy or steal all mallorean weapons before they land. :)
     
  8. PTeppic

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    Or there be some natural barrier or peril en route.
     
  9. devilsgrin

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    about the angaraks. the leaders of the west are well aware of the populations of Cthol Murgos and Mallorea... reports to the kings from spies in Taur Urgas' army indicate that something in the region of 100000 soldiers died on the forced march from Rak Goska and yet the army was barely dented in size. Rhodar iirc correctly mentions that there are many millions of people in cthol murgos.
    Eddings indicates in the Rivan Codex that the West's total population would be barely 20 million (approx.). Its indicated that that number alone would be the population of Cthol Murgos, or more, since they mention the murgos could overwhelm them on sheer numbers alone.
    This is all not counting the multitudes of Mallorea... the Malloreans present the greatest threat of all, and 'Zakath is almost dismissive of a Murgo threat. That the western kings are so concerned about the Murgos, whilst 'Zakath expects complete victory, with relative ease, indicates a vastly superior army to Taur Urgas'
     
  10. ghost8772

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    I think the only question that is really unanswered in the books is why they never sailed West to hit Mallorea. Unfortunately we will never know.

    Although, I might suggest that the correct answer is "it wasn't written to happen that way"
     
  11. BelgarionOz

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    Not sure if anyone has ever attempted to sail directly from Riva to Melcena so who knows what they might find if they did. Probably meant to be somewhat analogous to the fact that no one really crossed the Atlantic for thousands of years.
     
  12. steelyglint

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    West to Mallorea? From the look of the map provided it is likely their world has an equivalent to our Pacific, so the eastern route would be much the shortest.

    Also, perhaps the prophecy required that things be done in that particular way. Plus the eastern route is the one taken when they originally recovered the orb from Torak, after he stole it from Aldur.

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