- Aug 2, 2009
On the contrary, I find the faith of the fallen to be the best book in the SOT series.
A lot of people liked the first two or three books, then had issues when Goodkind's 'philosophy' (Objectivism, which isn't really a philosophy but more of an argument to justify being a ultra-right-wing neocon arsehole) took over and the whole series of books turned into propaganda.
I read the first book and gave up in the second after realising how badly he was ripping off Robert Jordan. But even the first had problems, like with Richard kicking an eight-year-old girl's face in for saying bad things about his girlfriend, the 100-page BDSM torture scene and Zedd magically removing some guys' testicles for no particular reason. When I started hearing about some of the stuff from later in the series I decided not to proceed. There's way too many vastly superior books by much better writers to be wasting time with this trash.
People who do not know how to decide for themselves and instead take others' opinions as truth."When I started hearing about some of the stuff from later in the series I decided not to proceed."
Taken out of context that does indeed sound bad, but you forgot to mention that he cried for her and begged her not to use the Agiel to torture him and begged also the mord'sith to not teach such things to this child. But she did use the Agiel on him, and she enjoyed it. This is the girl who was also fond of torturing her "playmate" a little girl slave she kept locked in a little metal box and loved to punish by hitting amongst other cruel things. By the time it got to the point of Richard being tied and hanging there while the "little girl" tortured him you were wanting to slap a few teeth loose yourself. She was a MONSTER of a child who was taught she should never feel remorse and that people beneath her own station were not to be treated as people, they were just things, not deserving of her empathy. He did not do it simply because she was talking bad about his girlfriend.But even the first had problems, like with Richard kicking an eight-year-old girl's face in for saying bad things about his girlfriend
Well to each their own because this is one of my favorite series ever and Faith of the Fallen was my favorite book in the series.
I must say that there does not seem to be much middle ground on Goodkind. People seem to either love him or hate him.
Wow. A Goodkind apologist. Haven't seen one of those around here in a long time. Maybe she'll come back, maybe not.
Points she failed to raise:
1. Terry Goodkind cannot write. His plotting devolves into objectivist tirades. Please, I had enought of Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged.
2. One can believe in personal responsibility and in compassion. The two are not diametrically opposed, and in fact, go together really, really well. You can use compassion as a path to help others take on their own personal responsibility. However, using personal responsibility as a sledge hammer when the wielder is a child of privilege and the recipient has had to scrape for every friggin scrap they ever earned is morally bankrupt. "God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in his shoes; 'Cause then you really might know what it's like to sing the blues"
3. Goodkind engaged with pornographic delight in BDSM and really pointless violence, just for the sake of putting it there. It was not necessary.
4. Goodkind could not create a decent villain if his life depended on it. Each and every one was a different version of Adolf Hitler. With such a pathetic line up of straw men, how is the nature of human evil truly explained? Bad people kiss their kids good night and take them to Little League (see Tony Soprano). Most villains are not demons from the pit of hell that you can spot from a mile away. A good villain, by definition, must be sympathetic. People have to like him, or he'd have no power.
5. "Help, I've fallen and I can't get up. Please, Richard Rahl, give a 2 hour speech on the dignity of the human spirit, and I think I'll be okay". 'Nuff said on that point.
Goodkind is the poster child for a poor author who got excellent backing from a publisher. The books were so well publicised that people bought them. Kind of like the success of reality television or McDonald's food. It isn't good, but it is sold so damn well that people are convinced that they like it.
If you want your kids to learn to be self-supporting and decent citizens who care about the world around them, you'd be better off to put them in Scouting.
All of these "points" you post are opinions.
1. Terry Goodkind paints pictures with words and brings every scene to life with his descriptions. This is my opinion, just as your "Can't write" is your OPINION.
2. "Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent." I will save my compassion for those who deserve it.
3. Every writer has their own style. Terry Goodkind is an adult writer. TBH I was tired of Nynaeve's childish hissy fits by the time I got the end of the WoT. This is only an example tho, Robert Jordan has a different style than Terry Goodkind.
4. There are villains in Goodkinds books that by the time the book had come to the conclusions I could not wait to see them suffer/pay for the things they had done. What you are stating is a matter of opinion, not fact. I think you have missed IN IT'S ENTIRETY the fact that the 2 main villains Darken Rahl and Jagang are in the positions they are in because of power. Either power as in magic or the grasp of religious zealots over the masses. The fact that you missed that obvious of an element shows me you are more than likely regurgitating opinions you have read instead of forming one of your own.
5. Yet again, all opinion.
I have no idea where you get off stating that Goodkind is all backing and no talent. I had not seen or heard anything of the sword of truth that day in the bookstore (about 16 years ago) when I had picked it up while looking for more on the Dragonlance series. Now THERE'S a series with backing. Don't EVEN get me started on the backing behind the Hobbit. Those are all good books though, every one of them having good stories and yes, even life lessons to be had in each and every one of them given by none other than the authors putting themselves in the book.
I teach my children the way I see fit, sometimes things I am trying to teach them is put into words better by other people. That is beside the point though. The books I give my children in some way inspired me in my life and I share with them in hopes of bringing them inspiration as well. Of course the right timing is essential as the messages can and will be lost on childish minds which are easily distracted.
My library includes most (if not all) of the major fantasy series of the past 25 years and The Hobbit (released in 1930's) and it's successors. Each of which I will share with my children. Do not take me for some Obsessive, foaming Goodkind fan. I just think it unfair that you paint the picture you do about him when in actuality his books are good, the stories are good and the values shared within each are worthwhile. You like so much to preach about how others (Goodkind fans) push their opinions down other peoples throats yet you are entirely subjective with your own opinions on the matter as well.
There is no more sexuality and violence in Goodkinds books than there is in say...Clan of the Cave Bear. (another good series I read in MY TEENS)