Season 2 Episode 9

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Spoilers if you haven't seen the episode yet.

And the question is. . . Who administered the magic blood. Could it have been Mohinder? Was that part of a bigger plan or a last minute plan or no plan at all. Bullet-Sponge-Man looked surprised to wake up. and

Why the hell can't Hiro save people? He can save all of New York but can't save his Daddy?

Has the seed of disention been planted in Lightning Ho?

Plenty of people guess at the ID of Daddy Nakamura's killer, kudos to ya'll.

General Question: If Nikki is sick and she gets Clair's blood to fix her - and healing power fixes memory loss (see Peter and Adam) - Then will Nikki remember her previous abduction by the company? Now I'm not actually sure if she was abducted, does anyone remember if she had the neck marks? She did have the funky symbol tatoo that showed up when she was Jessica. ok, someone elses turn.
 

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I am always amazed at how much I do not remember of previous episodes! I am operating at a distinct disadvantage on this one because I only saw the last half of the episode.

I don't believe Creepy Glasses Guy expected to wake up! I believe he is now a prisoner of the "Company." --- I was quite disappointed. I wanted to get rid of a character who I trust the same amount as I trust Bill Clinton --- NOT AT ALL!

What am I missing about Hiro? I thought that he could have saved his father, but his father believed that it was his time to die. Was there some part of the show that I did not see that intimated that Hiro was unable to change the time line. --- It that is so, it absolutely goes against the internal laws of the show.

Was "Lightning Ho" introduced in the first half of this show? Or is this a name for a character that I do not recognize.

It still sounds to me like this story arc will end in two weeks. We then have hiatus for holidays et. al. Probably starts again for the Feb. sweeps month.
 

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nothing missed on Hiro's deal just having thoughts from the story perspective. Now that I think about it, going back in time to save a specific person hasn't really worked for Hiro. It seems the rule of the show is that people are allowed to change the future but not the past. So the only person who broke the rule is NY Nuke Future Hiro.

Lightning Ho is Bob's daughter, I was just following the Heroes forum practice of making up a name when we can't remember the characters name.
 

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the Comments about Noah Bennett (Horned Rimmed classes guy) reminds me about how annoying Mohinder is starting to get IMO. I feel about Mohinder the way I feel about George Bush Junior: He's a fumbling idiot who has no plan and hasn't learned how to think for himself. The only difference is Mohinder may still redeem himself.
 

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Who administered the magic blood. Could it have been Mohinder?
The blood had to be Claire's, Adam's, or the blood of someone new like them who hasn't appeared yet. Theirs can heal injuries and diseases in general; Mohinder's is non-superpowered and only good for the diseases that he's had and survived, like mine or yours, which doesn't cover gunshots through the eyes.

I don't really think there's a third character like Claire and Adam being introduced now, so... If it had been Claire's blood, then she, her mother, and/or West would probably have been there to talk to him immediately and the room probably would have been a hospital room or someplace else more "cozy" like a home or hotel. So I figure the empty industrial-like setting tells us it was Adam's blood in some secret hideaway.

Why the hell can't Hiro save people? He can save all of New York but can't save his Daddy?
It was within his power, but Kaito didn't give him permission.
 

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:eek:wow! just got done watching it and came straight here.

the episode was awesome. i reckon noah was brought back with claire's blood - i thought the blood pouch (surely not the right word here??) was significant, in that they showed claire's blood flowing into it, and then "somebody's" blood flowing out of it into noah. interestingly, how many times did we hear the name noah in this episode? surely you cant be confusing him now?!?

hiro, when he was chatting to his younger self, realised the folly of trying to save the life of somebody who had died. remember when the younger hiro was shocked/horrified at the idea of his father being dead, at his mother's funeral? he refused to allow his father to die, and as older hiro was explaining to him, that everybody dies (unless you're immortal of course), he argued himself out of his course of action. i thought for a second, older hiro was going to use this discussion to try and persuade his father, but then, i suppose adults cant be made to see right from wrong by a child can they? i was also impressed when hiro had the presence of mind to find out who the killer was - i was yelling at him in my head to do so, but he gave no indication that he would. until he did it of course. i also had a vague thought in the back of my mind that maybe the killer wasn't adam - after all it was bob, on behalf of the company who pointed the finger.

and mohinder. omg. after noah DIDN'T kill him for betraying their cause, this is how he rolls? sheesh. talk about gratitude. george bush junior indeed!

theres so much more i could talk about, but i'd be here forever.

ps. im glad noah's alive. he might just be my favourite character from heroes. the only one of them who could really be a real guy. did i mention i saw a spitting image of him one time in london, old kent road?? :eek:
 

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nothing missed on Hiro's deal just having thoughts from the story perspective. Now that I think about it, going back in time to save a specific person hasn't really worked for Hiro. It seems the rule of the show is that people are allowed to change the future but not the past. So the only person who broke the rule is NY Nuke Future Hiro.

Lightning Ho is Bob's daughter, I was just following the Heroes forum practice of making up a name when we can't remember the characters name.

Sigh! I just can't keep up with all the idiom used today. i.e. "Lightning Ho" I'm think an oriental name "Ho" not a street idiom "ho" as in whore. At least "ho" has the advantage of using the letters of the word, unlike "nuke." At least I understand "nuke" but how does one get "nuke" from nuclear or atomic? Even more frustrating is when people call microwave cooking "nuking" it. There is NOTHING NUCLEAR about using microwaves to cook food. [End rant]

I wonder if "Noah" Bennett, aka "Creepy Glasses Guy" is telling us something in his name. Is "Noah" responsible for "building the ark and saving the world from destruction?"

In this episode we once again saw how, like the Delphi oracles, the truth could be told in absolute sense, but yet without the context we totally expect the wrong thing. Instead of getting rid of our modern day Noah, he is revived, likely through Clare's blood, and he like Clinton continues a creepy life.

Mohinder, I respect. (I also respect Bush Jr. But that's fodder for another thread.) At least he is going forward on his own brain power without any special powers. That is at least as far as we know. The fact that his blood worked as a cure for a while might suggest that he is genetically related to the Heroes and his "gift" has yet to reveal itself.
 

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I think what the OP meant in regards to Noah wasn't who's blood was put in him but who did administered it. Meaning did Bob (The Company) bring Noah back or Mohinder. My bet is Mohinder. As another poster stated Noah didn't kill him when the opportunity came and we all know Mohinder is no killer. He would also be the one handling the blood so he can treat Nikki which would make it possible for him to get some into Noah as well. That's my guess at least.

In regards to Hiro its simply about principles and what is right. Going into the past is already dangerous as anything you do can change the future by a slip through the timeline. Hiro realized it was the desire of a son, a child, to want to take that chance and avoid fate.

Now my other thoughts are why did the group in the photo seemed so concerned over Adam? Yes, he basically can't be killed it seems and has lived four hundred years but what else? Compared to someone like Peter or Sylar that wouldn't concern me. These two can finds ways to get Adam's ability (Peter already has from Claire) and then every other one as well. My only guess is that Adam has lived all four hundred years in anger and caring for no one other than himself after Hiro's betrayal (in his eyes) and this virus Peter flashed into the future to witness was actually Adam's doing because it could potential exterminate the race (or most of it) but never him. Talk about having a chip on your shoulder.

Is anyone else just waiting for Peter to go off? As his mother stated he is the most powerful one of them all yet he still hasn't done much of anything to this point but seem lost and confused in both seasons. Oh and Lightening Ho's name is simply El. Or maybe even the letter L. But that's what they called her.
 

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Thanks Darrell, you were correct I was wondering who administered the blood, not whose blood it was. When I wrote that, I forgot that Mohinder’s blood was also used to help people so it was an easy misunderstanding. If it turns out to been somes plan all along to kill Bennett and bring him back that could be cool. Now... wait. . . is there a time limmit on the bloods resurection properties? I guess a corpse would still have to have veins but that just. . . like could they bring back DL? I thought his death was pointless. Or bring back anyone. . . You know, suddenly I'm very affraid for Claire, think of all the people that would want to get their hands on her if they knew.

This is what I like about the show, talking and guessing what comes next and how things work. Although it’s hardly based on any science, still comic book type powers usually adhere to some kind of rules and I always have questions. Like is the flying ability and telekinesis really the same power just used different ways? The illusion girl that Sylar killed seemed to just have a variation of mind control that Parkman’s dad could do. I wonder if they are just aptitudes within the same broad skill of influencing other minds. Like exercising some muscles more than other, maybe Haitian has the same basic skill but there is only so much time to practice the different incarnations of mind control.

I’ll use Elle from now on, I could have used “lightning girl” but I was just thinking about how she played the vixen character w/ peter. I think she might end up being one of those pivotal characters that has a change of hart and does the right thing at some point.

I think Bennett’s motivation is clear now so I think he is someone you could trust as long as you have Claire’s best interest at heart. He’s decided to protect his family (and Mr. Muggles) at all costs, that’s what makes him dangerous; he has no trouble crossing moral lines if it will protect his family (reminds me of a current president. . . another thread, I know. F.Y.I. I don’t trust Buba Clinton either).

It would be nice to see Peter unleashed. I think what he needs more than anything is practice. It can’t be easy juggling all those powers. It seems many characters are still learning how their powers work when they only have one. I think peter is in danger of going Schitzo. If I were writing a show I would like to lead up to a scene where Peter single handed takes on an army or something. We saw some of that in with the future Peter.
 

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The illusion girl didnt have the same power as Parkman and his father. She could create illusions not read minds are force people. Her power isnt near the same league as Parkman mindcontrolling people. Which is creepy power seeing as you cant stop it from being used on you. I dont see how you can see its similer.

Make people seeing things that arent there isnt the same reading people minds and controling people with your mind.



You know this ep showed why i admire Bennet. He has stopped being a pure killer if you arent threathing his family. The old Bennet wouldnt let Mohinder,Bob live he would kill them fast. I dont even think he missed when he shot Elle's arm instead killing her.

It was cool seeing West go from hating him to "Yes sir!"

Its great he isnt dead. He is one of my favs along with Hiro.

Why Hiro didnt save his father is easy, his father didnt want him to play God. Hiro knew better. I mean he freezed time,if he really wanted he could have killed Adam there is there is a way of killing a healing guy like that.



Mohinder is becoming like a villain. His moral compass is messed up that he would make himself believe killing even Molly would be good for mankind or something else stupid. I prefer villains like Sylar,Adam who dont act good but do evil cause they want to. They dont make up excuses.

I think Bob revived Noah cause they want to use him for something. Mohinder is thier labdog he would never have acess to Claire's healing power and save Noah on his own.
 

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specifically I was thinking of when Illusion girl had Micah hostage and he tried to escape but kept comming back to the same room with what Parkman Sr. did to Nathan and Parkman Jr. where they were fighting each other and thinking they were somewhere else. The Parkmans are definitely more powerful. Which leads me to wonder how many people can he mind control at one time.
 

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The Parkmans are definitely more powerful. Which leads me to wonder how many people can he mind control at one time.
More powerful in the sense that there's more they can do to an individual's mind, but I think less powerful in the sense of how many people they can affect and at what distance. The illusions appear to involve controlling actual light and sound, not people's minds, because Sylar was seen last season (in the future) making the entire world think he was Nathan Petrelli, including over TV and radio and in still photographs in newspapers and magazines. And if used right, control over light and sound has the potential to not only trick people but also be used as a weapon or mess with some kinds of technology.
 

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More powerful in the sense that there's more they can do to an individual's mind, but I think less powerful in the sense of how many people they can affect and at what distance. The illusions appear to involve controlling actual light and sound, not people's minds, because Sylar was seen last season (in the future) making the entire world think he was Nathan Petrelli, including over TV and radio and in still photographs in newspapers and magazines. And if used right, control over light and sound has the potential to not only trick people but also be used as a weapon or mess with some kinds of technology.

good point! I had forgotten about Sylar using it in the future. Just looked it up, the character's name was Candice. At first I thought it just changed percepction but if he was on film as Nathan, I guess it would have had to effect light.
 

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We also saw how easy Sylar saw through Candice illusion of hawaii or wherever that beach scene was. It looked like he could feel something was wrong and knew it wasnt real.



The illusion power works if people doesnt know your power. Like when Sylar was president as Nathan nobody knew Nathan was dead. But Matts power you cant stop, i mean he can hurt you if you dont tell him what he wants.


Plus telling people what do without them ever knowing you put the thought into their mind is scary and has almost unlimited potential. Like what Matt did with his cop boss,Molly.

What if he can control the most powerful heroes, man if he was a villain he would be uber strong cause his power is very powerful if you use it like a villain.
 

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