1.12: Begotten

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There was a lot of new detail this week, not all of it convincing. The recent episodes have become a little farfetched, even more than the ‘X-Files’ were. I would prefer they stayed locked in reality.

Kurt Mendel watches, what I assume were, pornographic videos, with what I also assume contained subliminal messages (was that why we heard the clicks?) and a Babylonian symbol. He is brainwashed? (More later on this) into visiting the town of Lost Hills, Texas pop.77.

Just to add here, that I think Kurt is a sad case, phoning Angela when his woman went home. He has really gone down in my estimation.

Firstly, I didn’t understand Kurt’s compulsion. It didn’t seem like brainwashing. He didn’t believe without question, in fact he had a philosophical argument with Chuck, and changed his allegiance when Chuck won. If the Sentient had control of him, I doubt that a rational argument would break him free of the control, and if he really believed, the clues were all there for him to work out himself (the Babylonian symbol, the Chaldean’s Hotel, the machine of precious metals.)

Historical Background to Chaldeans

That brings me to my second grudge. None of that is even in the bible. It certainly has nothing to do with 'Genesis', and the 'Tower of Babylon.' Chuck admitted to making some of it up.

It reminded me of a story that someone in my family used to tell. In the days before television, people would get entertained by walking in the park, listening to the various speakers on platforms at each corner (Communists, Fascists, Catholics, Protestants, Votes for Women.) Someone they knew, who was particularly adept at debating, would listen to a speaker for a while, and then move along and use all of their best arguments against one of the others. He would come back every week and pick on a different speaker, he had no particular religious or political bias, just liked to beat them all.

So even if it were in the bible, Chuck did pretty well, to read the whole bible in that afternoon, and then to pick out all the salient points he required to convince Kurt. Plus make all the historical connections that aren't in the Bible. And this before he had even seen the 'weather machine' or the town. He is one clever man, most impressive!

Is this supposed to mean that Sentients have visited Earth before, in biblical times? Are we going to open the 'Ark of the Covenant' next? Was the 'Tower of Babel' a similar machine? I don't know where this is going, but it would mean that Dr. Chandra didn't create them.

And my third problem, I asked in another thread “Were the Sentients purely code?†Now they seem to be able to take physical form. How can that be? I’m going to continue this discussion here

Meanwhile, the weather is different. In the previous timeline it was raining all week, now there is a drought. Sarah discovers the usual weather is centred on Lost Hills.

Firstly, we cannot even suggest a way of doing this, let alone build a machine. If the Sentients can do this, there is no telling what else they can do.

Secondly, why is the timeline different? This suggests that the machine was not built last time around. Why not?

Paige tells a shrink about Chuck. When she gets a phone call about her mother having a heart attack, Chuck knows that it is later discovered to be acid reflux and asks her to trust him. But the call to let her know it isn’t a heart attack comes quite late. Paige now believes Chuck and Neil are from the future, but I think Chuck took quite a risk here. He bet everything on the timeline staying the same (when it frequently does not) and didn’t even have all his facts about the timing of the phone call correct.

Angela remembers that this is the time when her father made a hit and run while drunk driving to see his mistress. She was forced to cover for him, but never discovered the victim, even after searching hospital admissions. This time she decides to drive him, and discovers that it was a horse that he hit. She raves at her dad about decisions he hasn’t even decided to make yet, so I assume that he now thinks she is nuts.
 
I agree, it started off intruiging Kurt and his spiritial search, the change in weather etc.

But it all went kinda crazy at the village with the machine. Kurt with all his knowledge about sentients and mind control walked straight into it. I think at first he was a little overcome, the girl revealed Kurts life (remember the sentient used her as the Cult leader so of course she would know)

She said to Kurt "your a geneticist" it looked like his role was going to help solve the jump from cyberspace to a physical manefestation. Which is kinda strange seeing as they are the all knowing god like biengs.

The machine well, what the hell was going on there, firstly it looked straight out of a walt disney movie very strange, the way the sentient came up the funnel looked like some after thought on the whole idea.

What was the sentient going to do, stay there? or take a walk/float around the town. A lot of plot gaps/questions here.

The timeline changed wasnt explained, my own personal take is the sentients becuase of the Oddessy5 gang are acting more independantly than before and creating thier own power base. I really do think we are going to see sentient V sentient sometime.

The second coming part we suddenly saw the girl with the laptop. Ok its a backward village so it may have a 1 or 2 phone lines. So internet connection is going to be slow.

For the sentient to upload itself to the machine its gonna need a T3 connection, something with massive bandwidth not a dodgy old telephone line.

The way Kurt defeats the sentient was pants also, I thought I was watching jaws for a moment lol. Why didnt he just walk up and spray the dam fire extinguisher into the sentient rather than throwing (quite far may I add) a heavy Extinguisher into the machine then to shoot it with a hand gun. That was just dire.

Some nice sub plots off Chuck, Sarah and Angela but apart from the naked women at the start a fairly mundane and non achieving episode.

One word... Wierd


Ranger
 
I have to say, I wasn't impressed with Kurt phoning Angela after his 'date' left. Although I think what they were trying to convey is that, er, Kurt loves her! So while it is distasteful, I think it is actually quite in character. What actually disturbed me more was in a previous episode when Kurt flirted his butt off (and not just in a jokey way), with the Russian astronaut on the ISS with Angela. The cad.

The brainwashing was very strange. I decided to equate it with a kind of hypnotism, but there doesn't seem to be any explanation of how Chuck managed to pull Kurt out of it - seemed weird.

I thought the strange religiosity of this episode sat very uncomfortably with previous episodes, and adding to this friction Angela's subplot wasn't very well integrated with the 'a' plotline. I am not saying that there should always be a common thread between a and b storylines, but in this case the two were particularly jarring. Getting back to the religious angle - it seems unlikely that these sentients could really have existed in biblical times, I think it more likely that the sentient found an approach that would most expediently faciliate the exploitation of humans raised in Christian traditions. The sentient used the religious storylines to enchant the brainwashees - perhaps using something that is already familiar would be an easier background to sell. Although, if you were an increibly intelligent computer programme, don't you think you would pick a backstory that DIDN'T reveal itself as an evil plot with a little research?

Having said that, I was pretty unconvinced. What is the motivation for the sentient becoming 'real' or 'tangible'? Why did it look like a great big mechanical spider? Why did the machine look like something from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? What reason could it possibly have to need heat and moisture - wasn't it established in a recent episode that computers like cold? And all those warnings not to eat and drink near your pc surely count for something in the dry-is-good stakes.

Overall I was not hugely impressed - I did enjoy the episode, but I think the religious angle really turned me off. Also the identikit editing of the stories was not pleasant...

But on the positive side there were many nice touches. Neil being 'ripe' (teehee) - at least he thinks the five have a chance of saving the world if he is worried about global warming.
The muscly weatherman was a hoot - someone in her was wondering if the five would expand and get new members - I vote for him ;)
 
Originally posted by RangerOne SG13 SOR
The machine well, what the hell was going on there, firstly it looked straight out of a walt disney movie very strange, the way the sentient came up the funnel looked like some after thought on the whole idea.

Originally posted by Tabitha
Why did the machine look like something from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang?

I thought it was more Heath Robinson
 
A very weird episode, but it does have a few good moments.

Too much unexplained...what the hell was that sentient trying to come to Earth anyway ? And does the whole weather thing mean that these sentients need really hot weather conditions to survive? So was it planning to stay for a while ? You know stay a the hotel, try out Earth food...

I thought sentients were like a computer virus from space or something, what I saw in this episode looked like a living creature, kinda like a large shiny squid.

Hopefully the next episode is alot more better...
 
Sounds like we have become even more confused with this episode than we ever were before!

Nice link Dave - I think those were the kind of things I was thinking of, but I couldn't think of a name to go on.
 
Originally posted by william
A very weird episode, but it does have a few good moments.

Too much unexplained...what the hell was that sentient trying to come to Earth anyway ? And does the whole weather thing mean that these sentients need really hot weather conditions to survive? So was it planning to stay for a while ? You know stay a the hotel, try out Earth food...

I thought sentients were like a computer virus from space or something, what I saw in this episode looked like a living creature, kinda like a large shiny squid.

Hopefully the next episode is alot more better...

We have learned from the Manny Coto interview there is no Alien Link to the sentients or the destruction of the Earth.

They were created by man. Read the interview m8 it answers many issues.

:)

Ranger
 
TO be honest, I think this episode would have made MORE sense if I hadn't read that Coto quote. I mean, if it were an alien thingumy, who knows what properties it might have? However, it being based on, originating from Earth means that there is going to have to be some massive explaining to do.




I wondered if perhaps the girl had some ability that was influencing the people - some kind of psi power, and the sentient was manipulating her somehow into doing it's work (we saw the threats that sentients might be able to make in the Kitten ep). I then wondered if perhaps the machine, or the effect it produced might be some kind of hallucinogenic effect - not real, just an illusion. These ideas, however, might raise more problems than they solve - how could Kurt 'kill' the physical manifestation of the sentient if it were imaginary? What benefit would there be in controlling a bunch of hypnotised people?
 
Thanks RangerOne SG13 SOR

By the way UK viewers (that includes me) my email got answered at skytext, Odyssey 5 will be taking a break for Christmas programming, but returns on the 8th January ! For more new episodes :D
 
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