6.04: Frozen

Arc_Angel

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Frozen

Here are some spoilers for the 4th ep of season 6

*Quote from Yahoo Groups-sg-1 spoiler list*

Ahem, Dr. Francine Michaels, a biologist who has been working with an
SG team since O'Neill's and Carter's unfortunate foray through the
second gate, has discovered a frozen human woman in the Antarctic who
is obviously extremely old (millions of years, etc.). The woman,
Ayiana, thaws out and wakes up. Although not violent, she appears to
carry a disease that makes short work of the SG folk. However, she
does have healing capabilities - but they come with a high price.

hmmm, interesting

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sg1_spoilme/

There are also some more spoilers for this ep at:

www.gateworld.net
 

Hatshepsut

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Re: Frozen

Originally posted by Arc_Angel
Here are some spoilers for the 4th ep of season 6

...frozen human woman in the Antarctic ... extremely old ...
carry a disease ... healing capabilities ... come with a high price.


So yet another 'X-Files, S.G.-1' plot then... :rolleyes:

Bring on Dana Carter and Fox O'Neill! :disturbed

Actually, I heard that 'The Abyss' has been advanced to 4th episode, but it is just heresay.

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shiloh

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Well, they took it as a nod. I took it as a nod. And it might just be 3 weeks until we find out where this all leads because there's no episode next week, and rumor is the week after that
Jack won't be in that episode at all
.

So what did people think? I didn't care for it, I thought the pacing was totally off and it wasn't very dramatic or tense - until the last 5 minutes that is...............
 

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...if we say please and beg pathetically!!!! :(

I mean, was it THAT
bad that no synopsis would be worth the effort? Any translation, however rough would be much appreciated. :)


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Originally posted by shiloh
Well, they took it as a nod. I took it as a nod. And it might just be 3 weeks until we find out where this all leads because there's no episode next week,
I stand corrected on the weeks. They seem not to want to compete with the US holiday next week.

After watching it a third time, I guess I can agree that he's nodding. Poor guy. He has to do something that revoltes him beyond all other things. That is just so *sniff* sad.
 

bummer

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Synopsis...

OK, I'll give it a whirl....but be forewarned that I don't remember the names of the Antarctic team....except the girl was Michaels; and I'm gonna over-simplify the plot.

Carter was talking to Michaels via vidphone when they discover a frozen figure. When SG-1 arrive in Antarctica w/ Frasier in tow, they've discovered the figure is a woman who is probably millions of years old, (and seems like they pretty much confirm she may be one of the ancients as the episode progresses, as old as the Stargate itself, right?? ) Anyway, Frasier is amazed because her cells are intact, which is unusual for frozen things. So, they begin to thaw her out, and when they do, Doc flashes a penlight in her open eyes, and the pupils react to light repeatedly. So they give her an EEG, and she has brainwaves, so to make a long story short, they end up reviving her.

As the episode goes on, Micheals passes out with a virus of some sort, then the other Antarctic people get sick, and they narrow it down to something the frozen woman was carrying. The virus doesn't respond to antibiotics, and they can't fly a contagious disease team in because of bad weather. Jonas discovers that the woman can understand what he's saying, but can't communicate back with speech, although she can spout a word here and there.

The woman (sorry, can't spell her name) ends up healing Michaels and the other Antarctic people, but it knocks her on her butt when she does and takes a while for her to recover. In the meantime, the rest of our guys get sick and leave the home team to watch over the woman, who's still out from healing them.

She wakes up and touches the man guarding her, which renders him unconscious, then she goes to heal SG-1 and the doctor.

When the other 2 Antarctic team members discover she's missing, they find Carter and Doc, who have been healed, and they go looking for the woman in the men's dorm. There, they find her crumpled on the floor, w/ Jonas standing over here, and everybody's been healed except for O'Neill, who looks like ****.

By this time, the storm has passed, so they take everyone back to Colorado. The woman is in bad shape, and O'Neill has slipped into a coma. The Tok'ra can't heal either one, but they offer to blend O'Neill with a symbiote whose host was killed on a mission, and who may hold vital information that they can't get until they find a host. In the meantime, the woman dies, so they don't have any options for Jack but death or blending. The Tok'ra said the symbiote would willingly sacrifice itself later if Jack decided he did not want to be a host anymore and another host could not be found; rather than force Jack to be an unwilling host.

Knowing how he feels about it, they give him a dose of epi and try to wake him up to give him the choice. When posed with the choice, he says "Over my dead body;" but Sam persists, informing him that the symbiote may have info that is vital to the Tok'ra; to which he gives a barely noticeable nod.

As the episode closes; we see a team carrying Jack in a containment thingy that looks eeerily like a coffin to me...thru the Stargate.....
 

bummer

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OK, now I have questions...

Did it not seem odd that they would haul poor ol' Jack through the Stargate when he was at death's door? Why couldn't they have brought the symbiote to him??

And was anybody else bored through this episode? I can't decide if it was because I couldn't get comfortable (pregnant, enough said) or if everybody else thought it kinda dragged on.
 

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I enjoy this episode, I doesn't find it boring but it was less interesting or action driven than others. Anyway I enjoy Jonas interaction with Ayiana. Also love to see Bruce in this episode as one of the doctors. Love Teal'c face when Jack mention he forgot to tape The Simpsons. Priceless! :lol:

All the Jack situation was cool, I think he nod in agreement after Sam mention that the symbiote will not stay on an unwilling host. But is interesting to see him having to accept something he totally hates. It will be interesting to see how this develop.

Krystal :p
 

bummer

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I completely forgot about the Simpson's crack! LOL!!

Jack having to agree to the symbiote was just cruel, bless his heart! The things he does for this cause ;)
 

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what I find most interesting...

is that Goa'uld have lost the ability (or never had the ability) to communicate complex concepts without the aid of a host. And here all this time I thought the un-implanted Goa'uld were communicating to other Goa'uld. At least Apophis could interpet his queen's like or dislike of the presented woman in COTG. But now we find out that complex communication is wholly dependent on the host having the ability. The Tok'ra are unable to get the information they need without putting this Goa'uld into a host. And it's implying you have to have other Goa'ulds in hosts using the same speaking and hearing ranges to allow communication.

And, somewhat, it becomes clearer why the Unas were abandoned for Humankind. It's theorized that we developed language to be the universe's most efficient gossips. So humans must have seemed fantastic hosts; the vocal range of the Unas seems rather limited in comparasion. Which is a tiny bit counter to the whole idea. If they evolved with Goa'uld as the communication half of the partnership, they'd have a greater range, but even lesser intligence. The truer "brawn" to the Gou'ald "brain." The Goa'uld desire to communicate at higher and higher levels would drive the long term evolution of Unas to greater communication ability. But it seems to have not.
 

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Boooooorrrrrinnnnngggggg....

In the words of the Comic Book Guy from Jack's beloved Simpsons:

"Worse episode ever."

4th episode in a row now, where the Stargate is sitting in mothballs, unused throughout the episode. Maybe the show needs to be renamed, along with the new opening credits.

Borrowed first-season X-Files episode plot ("ICE"). How very appropriate that Beyers, one of the Lone Gunman, is one of the guest stars.

Lots of talking. And talking. And talking. Except from the one character we wanted to hear from, the 3,000,000 year old woman. In the end, her entire function of the episode was to act as Typhoid Mary and then Faith Healer. Talk about WASTED POTENTIAL. Only a poor writing staff would take a concept and a character with so much potential and be unable to write a line of dialogue for her or create enough character for her to develop some personality, or sympathy when she dies.

They're really pushing it with the Jonas shots. Loads of gratuitious shots of Jonas just standing and staring, staring and smiling, smiling and standing, while the dialogue or events going on during these shots have nothing whatsoever to do with him. The obnoxious quotient for this character just grows by the week.

Jack would let a snake-head take him over on the chance they might get some valuable info. Yeah. Right.

With Jack about to die, Carter doesn't even put a hand on him as he lies there...in fact, she calls him "Colonel" in the midst of all this life-or-death intimacy. Looks like the 'ship' has sailed and we've all missed the boat.

Leah
 

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Just saw Frozen and I liked it. It didn't really live up to my expectations but I liked it.

Bizarro7, I think you're partially right when you say that they're was more potential with Aiyana. And O'Neill blending with a Tok'ra, that could be fun. Liked your interpretation about the shipping thing between Sam and Jack. :D

Anyway, can hardly wait for the next episode, Nightwalkers.

Falcon Horus ;)
 

Jackers

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I think there was ship in the episode. I may br reaching by there was concern and i really dont think carter would call him jack knowing that hammond was listening in......plus she did get him to say yes. Do yo think that Teal'c would have been able to do that????

Yes......i'm reaching big time.
 

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She has to be professional, but I reckon Jack is doing it
  • for Sam
  • for the info
we know for a fact he would rather die than be a long term tokra. but out of interest, did you see the trailer? <<ill put this in spoiler incase you didnt see the trailer coz you didnt want the spoiler.
in nightwalkers, i think jack wanted the tokra out and the tokra of course was willing to die. sam didnt want the tokra to die, and allowed herself to be blended. she looks awful, though!

so, yes, i think there was a ship in the ep.
ooh, just had thought!
lets say the symbiote in sam is the one that was in jack. well when sam had jolinar, she could feel jolinar's love for marty and lantash, AND <<sorry, bigger>> AND jolinar's HOST'S love for marty and lantash. So when the symbiote leaves jack and enters sam, will sam feel how much Jack loves her?!?!

just a thought!

love the simpsons gag!!
i thought jonas was really sweet this ep. he really likes the girl, and she died. hope he doesnt keep this up; instead of having a girl on every planet, hell have a dead girl on every planet. like sma and her guys!! perhaps we have black widow meeting black widower!!
 

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Re: what I find most interesting...

Originally posted by CynVision
The Tok'ra are unable to get the information they need without putting this Goa'uld into a host.

I have a few questions here. I may be a bit dense - and S6 hasn't made to the U.K. yet - but:

1. How do the Tok'ra know this particular goa'uld has any information?

2. If they do know it has information, how do they know, without hearing it, whether it is of any value - or not?

3. If it was previously in a host who died, why didn't it bust a gusset to pass on the information before the host died?

4. If it used the promise of revealing vital information in order to be blended with another host, why would it leave Jack after it's given up its information/bargaining chip? Do we have any evidence of a goa'uld being self-sacrificing?

5. If the information was so vital, why didn't another goa'uld agree to leave its host so that the goa'uld-with-info. could move in? Did the Tok'ra not trust it to move out after it's given up its info. like they've told Jack it will if he's unwilling to continue as a host?

6. Having seen what happened to Hebron after Tanith was blended with him, why on Earth - or any other planet! - should Jack risk the living death that Hebron, Skaara, Sha're et al. endured? I mean, if you're afraid of actual physical death, you wouldn't join the military in the first place - would you?

Answers anyone?

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Falcon Horus

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Hello Hatshepsut,

I'll try to answer some of your questions.

First I want you to know that Tok'ra don't like to be called Goa'uld!!

Now let's see...

1. How do the Tok'ra know this particular goa'uld has any information?

Maybe the host revealed something but was to weak to continue and therefor they know the Tok'ra has information about his undercovermission. This was just a guess.

2. If they do know it has information, how do they know, without hearing it, whether it is of any value - or not?

Whatever it is, I guess the Tok'ra always consider it to be value info. Just a guess!!

3. If it was previously in a host who died, why didn't it bust a guesst to pass on the information before the host died?

Because the Tok'ra in Frozen says that Kaän, or whatever the name was, doesn't take unwilling hosts. Beats me why because Jolinar didn't mean to take Carter but she did anyway.

4. If it used the promise of revealing vital information in order to be blended with another host, why would it leave Jack after it's given up its information/bargaining chip? Do we have any evidence of a goa'uld being self-sacrificing?

Yes, we do have evidence of that. Jolinar sacrificed her live in order to save Sam's. She too said that she would find another host and leave Sam because Carter had been an unwilling yet necessary host.

5. If the information was so vital, why didn't another goa'uld agree to leave its host so that the goa'uld-with-info. could move in? Did the Tok'ra not trust it to move out after it's given up its info. like they've told Jack it will if he's unwilling to continue as a host?

I believe Jolinar said that changing hosts was a dangerous operation for a Tok'ra. It could kill it.

6. Having seen what happened to Hebron after Tanith was blended with him, why on Earth - or any other planet! - should Jack risk the living death that Hebron, Skaara, Sha're et al. endured? I mean, if you're afraid of actual physical death, you wouldn't join the military in the first place - would you?

Hebron, Klorel and Amonet were Goa'uld and, as I said before, the Tok'ra aren't Goa'uld. Tok'ra live in symbioses with their hosts. But then again Carter went through a lot too with Jolinar and all.

Anyway, I hope you learned something more now that I have answered, or at least tried to answer your questions.

Falcon Horus ;)
 

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I'm sorry, but I saw no ship what-so-ever in this ep. Heck, Sam and Jack didn't even interact much till that end scene when it was all "sir" this and "colonel" that....
 

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