6.05: Nightwalkers

pamie

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Well i have just seen this one and Im not that impressed with it to be honest!

I thought it was kinda predictable..

It was an ok one but I missed Jack being in it...it just didn't seem right to me.
What was with the way they were dressed as well...LOL

I think Carter slapping Jonas was the highlight and that was about it!

Can't wait for next week! :D
 

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This wasn't the kind of story we got in the early seasons, 'it's Stargate, but not as we know it, Jim'.

On the other hand, surprisingly, I quite liked it! The story was a little recycled, even the music at the very begining was just like you get at the start of a 'X-Files' episode! We had 'ER' last week, so what's coming next week, 'Friends'?

It was good to have an Earth based story, if only to see Jonas and Teal'c, among the humans. There were a few other things like the onion ring that I didn't spot myself....

When Jonas leaves dollar bills on the table at the bar, Teal'c picks some up again without Jonas noticing.

Carter to Quinn: Keep an eye on Teal'c.

Carter to Teal'c: Keep an eye on Jonas. (moments later)

Carter (acting as a Goa'uld): He's an alien, the humans don't trust him. (about Jonas)
 

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More mixed feelings on this episode.

It just all seemed so implausible. I would rather the defeat of the goa'uld clones had come because they weren't well made - the advances humans in the real world have made in cloning are far from perfect, and I was not convinced that such am advanced process could be perfected in such a short time.
I agree with comments that have been made above that the concept of the goa'ulds only being able to take control during the night seemed ridiculous. What was the justification for the control only lasting at night? And after a few days of no sleep, wouldn't most people be almost delirious? And why would the goa'ulds want to go for a pint down the pub? :confused:

What annoyed me most about this episode was the fact that it followed such a huge shock cliffhanger last ep. I wanted to know an awful lot more about Jack and the Tok'ra, and there was barely a mention of it here. Granted, I missed the pre-credits section, but still. Has Jack ever been missing for so much of an episode? I doubt it.
To be honest, this lack of Jack (hey, that rhymes) made me realise that he really is one of the main reasons I love this show. Between his non-appearance and the lack of chevron action, I found the plot to be stiff and dull. The three characters spotlighted here are likeable, but not able to carry the entire show on their own.

I would also like to see less of Jonas sticking out like a sore thumb. The emphasis on his weirdness seems too forced. And I was surprised that he was able to so quickly digest how conspiracies might operate on Earth
"Some people might be willing to kill for it", and "these people are acting weird". Hmmmm.

Roll on Jack and the Tok'ra. I rate this episode at a D+
 

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The best moment is when Sam slaps Jonas and later when he realizes that it was all an act. For that alone the ep was worth watching, but the plotholes require heavy use of the "entertainment value" mantra.
 

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Was it explained how these cloned juvenile Goa'ulds had the knowledge about the SGC & Jaffa (Sam wasn't one of them), and how to make a Spaceship?

Did it all come from the original Goa'uld?

I hope they weren't suggesting that the Goa'uld memories were also cloned ;)

I agree about the cloning technology, we aren't at that stage today, so why would some backwater company have it?

I agree, it did miss Jack's presence.

Also, they said that Teal'c and Sam couldn't detect the juvenile Goa'ulds because they didn't have Naquadah in their blood. Is that what has been previously established? I thought that it was to do with protein sequences and pheromones.

One last thing, I thought juvenile Goa'ulds were the lavae that Teal'c carrys around with him. We have never been told about any intermediate stage before.
 

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Originally posted by webmouse
The best moment is when Sam slaps Jonas and later when he realizes that it was all an act. For that alone the ep was worth watching, but the plotholes require heavy use of the "entertainment value" mantra.
I liked that moment too, but about 60% of my brain was screaming CLICHE at full volume. Predictable, and has been used a thousand times :(

Regarding the clones and the tech - I think I might need to rewatch the ep or get a transcript, and pay a bit more attention. There was quite a lot of info-dump, and I was having enough trouble with my incredulity as it was.


Another idea, if it all came from one Goa'uld, would all those people have the same "Genetic Memory" on top of their hosts' memories?

And to answer the question of how they knew about the SGC, could this "Genetic Memory" explain it, or might the idea that they had already uncovered information about the NID cover it? Also, the complany obviously had some knowledge of where the goa'ulds had come from, so perhaps if one person that was blended knew, the information would pass along the chain quite quickly.
 

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I have to agree this ep did seem a bit lacking. though I cant really define what. It was a highly unbelievable storyline (even for a show that goes to other planets thru a puddle of water, lol)
The gould called teal'c Chevaux, how could he know that? Even with genetic memory that is very detailed info! But he seemed suprised when Tealc said Apophis was dead? Selective genetic memory?
Yes they did seem intent on making Jonas stick out as odd. Even tho in the last season he acted as if he was human, I thought they were humans that were taken to another planet by the gould years and years ago? So why now concentrate on displaying his alieness?
Did I miss the bit where we found out what happened to that security guard guy? Otherwise there is someone running around knowing more than he should.
Are they setting up some sort of sam/jonas thing now? (uh oh that means he'll die, lol) Just seemed a lot of cheeky interaction between them, not exactly flirting but "something".
Not the best ep ever in my opinion. I get the impression they didnt want to make an important ep without Jack, and maybe this was a way of re introducing the NID for some bigger plot later in the series.
 

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Since "Meridian" the writers have struggled to find a niche for Jonas and it took several eps into S6 for something to develop (no spoilers here, but have hope -- JQ seems to find a place on the team)

It is proper that at first no one really trusts him ("Redemption"), but Sam is nice about it because she sees the value of the Naquadria and Jonas is mostly harmless. I think she teases him because -- well, the writers have to give them some interaction and it can't be romantic. Sam respects Jonas' intelligence which in ways rivals hers, but she still has to maintain that upper hand, just as she does with McKay. So Jonas got slapped. He's a big boy, he can take it. It is Sam's delight later when he finds out that she was only acting, followed by "Let's get some lunch" (her usual brush off), that really pins the teasing.

As for those Goa'uld, I assumed they realized that Teal'c was a shol'va because he was working with the SGC -- sort of a giveaway that he was no longer serving his god.

Apophis' death should be a surprise to them. After all, the larva are born with genetic memory of all that came before them, but that wouldn't give them instant knowledge of current events or of those events that occured after their birth (or in this case the birth of the symbiote from which they were cloned). Unless someone told Adrian Conrad about the death of Apophis there's no reason for them to know.

As for the security guard, well, oops -- there's another loose end running around untied. ;)
 

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The gould called teal'c Chevaux, how could he know that? Even with genetic memory that is very detailed info! But he seemed suprised when Tealc said Apophis was dead? Selective genetic memory?


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i think more a case of teal'c being sholva longer than pops has been dead. The goauld is a clone of the one the russians brought through the gate in watergate. and it was immature. so it's conceivable that it knew of teal'c's defection, just not the recent act of pops turning into planet pizza
 

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So why did the gould guy ask if they should use tealc and jonas as hosts? If he had the memories of Conrads gould he would have already known tealc was jaffa wouldnt he? Instead Sam was the one who pointed it out.
 

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Originally posted by webmouse
After all, the larva are born with genetic memory of all that came before them,


Is that true for all Gould? or just becuase these ones were cloned? becuase if its all gould why doesnt Sam carry the memory of ALL the tokra? They said once that all tokra symbiotes had been born of one gould many years ago.
 

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Jolinar was born of Aegeria, who has been out of the picture for millennia. Jolinar carried the genetic memory of all that came before Aegeria and the natural memory of all that came after. The Tok'ra all possess the knowledge they received from Aegeria, but each individual symbiote has acquired its own knowledge since then.

To possess memories of other symbiotes would make the Tok'ra (and the Goa'uld) majorly psychic and I don't think that's what the writers meant by genetic memory.
 

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I liked this episode.

Is it me, or has the quailty of the filming increased ten fold?

I missed the last ep :crying: so I am not overly sure what has happened to Jack, although it sounded quite alarming from the brief mention of it in this ep, but S6 is impressing me.

Maybe there is still life in the old dog yet ;)
 

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I believe the cinematography is better…in the least it’s different.
 

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What happened to Jack???????? :crying:

I assumed that Jack was still recovering from the 'virus' that the frozen girl had given him. Will we ever hear anymore about that????

Definitely missed Jacks presence. Was a tad strange episode to be honest. Literally flew across my head. (but that could've been due to the bad headache I had).

Quite unbelievable that so many clones were 'made' from one goa'uld larvae. If the townsfolk weren't getting much sleep due to being taken over by the goa'uld larvae they would have been more tired surely. No-one can survive so long without sleep.

I had guessed that Carter was 'playing along' to attempt to save Jonas and Teal'c.


annette :D
 

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"Frozen" was mostly a setup to get rid of Jack. He's off with the Tok'ra for "Nightwalkers" and have no fear he will return in the following ep "Abyss." It is well worth the wait. :)
 

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Now I might have missed a bit somewhere, I didn't have time to read all the postings but I have a query. As I see it, Sam was tinkering with the laptop and Jonas and Teal'c went to the warehouse. They went by car, a rather fine SUV if memory serves. My question is, who taught either of them to drive and how do aliens get insurance and a licence. (I forget which one of them was actually in the driving seat).
 

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Hmmm, I've never given that any consideraton -- which was probably exactly what the writers intended for us all. Ooops :D

Unless there's a special military licensing program, then for any occasions when we have seen T behind the wheel (nothing comes to mind immediately :blush:), we have to imagine what the DMV would make of giving a state driving license to an imposing Jaffa warior with a raised gold tattoo on his brow. I don't think they take official license photos of drivers wearing hats designed to obscure a significant portion of the face. :eek:

As for JQ, no problem getting him a license, but they haven't addressed any aspect of his training or study of Earth and the USAF. We are left to suppose that after months on the base and in the time since being picked for SG1, there's been intensive training and inculturation programs for JQ.

Of course, we never saw what programs were offered to T nor what training DJ received after his return from Abydos. Presumably, the military trained both in weapons use, tactics, regulations and procedures even though they are civilians. DJ made have had some of training (though it was never addressed in the film) before the inital mission to Abydos.

In Waterworld the entire team had to parachute to the Russian base. S & J would have done such jumps before, but we're left with impression that neither D nor T had parachute training -- unlikely if they are part of a USAF secret program and had gone through some equivalent of boot camp.

We are left with conflicting assumptions and that is a fault in the writing. Some assumptions are safe to make, based on what has been presented and what has been left unsaid, but may be infered from the situation, plus a basic knowledge of what is possible and what is required.

But the faithful are always ready to produce rationalizations for plotholes and continuity errors. I don't think that the audience should be doing the writers' job for them. When a question like previous training programs comes up we should find something in the past eps that accounts for it or at least does not contradict it.
If trained by the military to drive and to shoot, why not also be trained to parachute?
 
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