6.05: Nightwalkers

Been a long time since I've heard anyone yelling the "shark-jump" thing. And I love the "ruined belief suspension." As an old theater pro, I've heard the suspension of disbelief batted around quite a bit.

Them PTB are taking us for a ride and it still looks bumpy even with us jumping to the idea that Carter's infested. To me, between Nightwalkers and Abyss, it's still two plot lines dealing with two major characters left on the show and Gou'alds. The imagination car is out of gas pure and simple.

 
Skydiver wrote:

the people are building a ship, which the nid knows about. the nid is letting them do all the work so they can slip in and swipe the ship once the folks get it done

Building a ship out of what? Stone knives and bearskins? We're talking about a spaceship, not a soapbox derby car. It's not exactly something you can slap together in your garage.

I've worked in an aerospace plant, and an automobile factory. Trust me, the manufacturing process for any machine is complicated. Involving thousands of parts, many that have to be manufactured according to precise specifications and made of special alloys, skilled labor, special tools, clean rooms, etc.

I sure wouldn't want to be the one to take the first test flight. Hey, maybe that's what Jonas is for! We can only hope.
 
Is it sacriledge to say they need some "cheap" Earth-based eps to balance off the big space-bound large SFX episodes?

NID cloning - because they never learn! They probably think if they get in early enough they CAN control the symbiotes. The arrogance of military intelligence can't be over-looked.
 
Well, it isn't sacrilege to say 'cheap', but Earth-based...?

"Got a Stargate and we are afraid to use it"?

Adventures on other worlds don't have to be expensive with lots of explosions and special effects - could just use/adapt an existing set. A lick of paint - it'll be fine :D

It looks to me like they're running out of ideas for plot lines. They've brought in "new blood" * in the acting department. Perhaps it's time they brought in new blood in the scriptwriting department also...?

*
Maybe Danny could come back as a vampire?
:evil: :naughty: :upto: :cool: :D

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Originally posted by Hatshepsut
They've brought in "new blood" * in the acting department. Perhaps it's time they brought in new blood in the scriptwriting department also...?

*
Maybe Danny could come back as a vampire?

Were you thinking they should bring in Joss Whedon then?
 
:lol: Hey, that's a good idea, Dave! :) :) :)

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Originally posted by Jobeth
Skydiver wrote:Building a ship out of what? Stone knives and bearskins? We're talking about a spaceship, not a soapbox derby car. It's not exactly something you can slap together in your garage.

I've worked in an aerospace plant, and an automobile factory. Trust me, the manufacturing process for any machine is complicated. Involving thousands of parts,
But that Ascention ep implied common products could be canabolized to create a Stargate. And whats-his-name was caught when Carter's credit card was maxed on some rare wire-thing. So, I bet the ship is somehow low-tech, get us out of here, simple doo dad.
 
Actually, I think Jobeth has a valid point.

The problem with making that kind of thing isn't the availability of the materials. (You could probably have a coal-fired spaceship, or a solar sail, if you had the technology.)

I'm not an engineer, but the problem is to do with something called 'tolerance' -- if the various mechanical parts are not the exact same size, weight and dimensions, then they won't fit together correctly and the machines just won't work.

I expect that to build something as complex as a spaceship, you would need very high tolerance. Not something you could knock up in your shed! You would need to make use of a aerospace factory.

Read 'King David's Spaceship' by Jerry Pournelle for a story on low tech spaceship building.
 
Listen, knocking up a spaceship in a shed is NOT beyond the bounds of possiblity - it never held Wallace & Gromit back....now did it?

Shadrak
 
I think you've got something there, Shadrak. Explains a lot...

I reckon Nick Park made S.G. -1's newest recruit out of plasticene :naughty:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Thanks Dave, for explaining the concept of tolerances. That's the point I was trying to get across. I'd have to believe that everything on a spacecraft would have to be perfect, the smallest leak could be disastrous. Considering that even a 'low tech' ship would be highly complex compared to an automobile (oxygen, food, water, etc.).
 
When ever I consider the lunar landers I recall someone saying the skin was very thin. maybe the bracing fit together and stuff was bolted to a substancial frame for the engines, but the covering wasn't something I'd like to dwell on if I were riding in it.

Star Trek got past all the physical stress stuff by saying forcefields countered all sorts of stresses on a ship's structure. It's something in my mind that I applied to SG tech as well. Put something together and slap a forcefield over it and you're set to go.
 
You make some good points Cynvision. However, keep in mind that the lunar landers didn't have to reach escape velocity to counteract earth's gravity. Also, they were manufactured according to rigid specs, using the efforts of thousands of people.

Personally, I wouldn't trust a forcefield to hold some jury-rigged craft together, but that's just me.
 
Originally posted by Shadrak
Listen, knocking up a spaceship in a shed is NOT beyond the bounds of possiblity - it never held Wallace & Gromit back....now did it?

Shadrak

Oh my gosh, I was thinking the exact same thing!;)
 
Originally posted by Jobeth
keep in mind that the lunar landers didn't have to reach escape velocity to counteract earth's gravity. Also, they were manufactured according to rigid specs, using the efforts of thousands of people.
Still makes a small space even smaller if you're trying to keep away from the walls :D

And hey, sounds like they have a whole town of sleepers in the episode. It could be a few thousand. Hmmmm? We'll just have to see.
 
Originally posted by Shadrak
Listen, knocking up a spaceship in a shed is NOT beyond the bounds of possiblity - it never held Wallace & Gromit back....now did it?

Shadrak
I was just watching that Alan Alda hosted science show and there were a few folks making some respectable human-powered, two man subs in their garages. These young men (and a woman) had time trials where they went 5-6 knots under one human's pedal power.

And didn't Apple computer guys start in their garage? We want to harken back to the ole' low-tech days.

Given the right knowledge and supplies anything is possible.
 
OK! OK!

If Wallace and Grommit, Alan Alda and McGuyver can do it, I'm sure a town of sleepers could manage it too!

(Just don't ask me to test pilot it!)
 
That's the spirit! With spirit like that the economy is sure to turn around! I'll be nipping off to finalze my plans for a Mars lander built on my back porch.

Now you're thinking like the show writers! Suspension of disbelief will sweeten season six considerably, no?
 
Originally posted by CynVision
Suspension of disbelief will sweeten season six considerably, no?

We already suspend our disbelief - and willingly, gladly - over the whole concept of the Stargate.

It is incumbent upon the writers, therefore, not to put any unnecessary and unjustifiable strains on that goodwill, or they will lose their audience for sure.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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A man runs to his car. Gets in, drives off. It’s dark, nice and wet. He gets on his cell phone and calls Sam, waking her up. It’s 2am her time. She doesn’t know him, he says he knows her, knows what happened to her. They didn’t shut down the Adrian Conrad project. He wants her to protect him…there’s a crash and the phone goes dead.

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Dr Richard Fleming, biologist at Harvard. Immunotech research, wholly owned subsidiary of zetatron. They moved to a small town in Oregon. The Tok’ra are still looking for a suitable host for jack, so he’s with the Tok’ra.

Sam, Jonas and teal’c go to Oregon. Some really, really funny moments. Sam goes to see the sheriff, she sees pics of his smashed car. She asks the sheriff for help. But the air force has no jurisdiction.
Fleming’s co-workers said he was acting strange…they found amphetamines in his car..His lab conveniently caught fire.
They go to his house, it’s been cleaned. But someone delivers a package that Fleming sent to himself. It’s a huge honkin syringe full of yellowish fluid. Conrad’s team were working on a super drug. Sam sends off a sample.
Cut to nighttime, zombie like folks are filing into this warehouse on the waterfront…they say they have three uninvited guests…they’ll probably be no problem but if they are, then they’ll just have to ‘deal with them’.

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Sam & co eat brunch. The sheriff wants to see Sam…the fire in Fleming’s lab is arson. They found gasoline. 2 months ago another immunotech researcher disappeared. Immunotech is the sole support for the town. They subpoenaed documents, he gives them to Sam. Peter Stauffer is the one who disappeared. Sam borrows documents. Ordered material on stem cell research. Stem cells can theoretically be used to create human clones.
It’s night. The town gets quiet at night…teal’c and Jonas go to a bar. They order drinks. The locals…don’t take kindly to strangers. They try to start a fight, the sheriff comes in. d’oh the sheriff is in on it.

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The sample is a sulpher based antibiotic. A guy from the bar comes in. Jonas apologizes; the guy has no idea what’s going on. They’re being watched. The guy follows them. Teal’c grabs him; he says he used to be a guard at immunotech. He thinks Fleming is murdered. Tells them noone in town can be trusted.
Jonas thinks they have a town of clones. They go to check out the site of the lab. Sam picks another lock. Jonas wants her to teach him. Wormhole theory, motorcycle riding and lock picking…Sam’s skills???
They get into the warehouse; find a lot of cd’s and plans for a ship
Big honkin half built space ship
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Night again. Sam calls hammy, tells him about the ship. Sam’s still in her leather pants. The plans are in code. Sam thinks she can break it. Tealc and Jonas are watching the warehouse, Sam is in the hotel room, trying to break the code.
The sheriff goes to sleep, and wakes up like a zomie. It’s in goa’uld. They cloned Conrad’s symbiote. It doesn’t have naquadah so they can’t sense it. Teal’c and Jonas get caught.
The bad guys come after Sam. She gets her gun. She takes the shot.
Teal’c and Jonas were grabbed by the NID. They’ve been letting the baddies build the ship, monitoring it until it’s built so they can take it. They symbiotes are immature. They can’t take control unless the folks are asleep.
The nid’s plan has full support. Meanwhile, the baddies have Sam. They tie her up and give her a snake. Yep, Sam gets snaked again.

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The nid lets teal’c and Jonas out, they find that Sam’s gone. Jonas calls her Sam.
They took her, they don’t see the empty syringe. The nid locks down the town. Or calls for it, they get zatted by the bad guys.
Teal’c, Jonas and the nid guy are captured. They mean to send the nid guy back to take over the nid.
The nid comes. Finds a room full of zatted folks. Sam stops the nid guys from escaping. The syringe contains a…immunization against snakes. It kills em. They replicate it and give it to all the towns folks, who have no memory. The ship has been taken to area 51. Next week, abyss.
 
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