6.07: Once More, With Feeling

[Highlander II]

thanx, obcooke!!







(and that reminded me that I needed to go grab something for a b-day pressie for a friend!)

 

[angelle myst]

I was supposed to ask this ages ago, but of course forgot, so i was wondering if any ppl from across the pond could explain what taking the 5th meant? Some part of ur constitution law thing?

xxx

 

[obcooke]

[Sammy O'Neill: ...wondering if any ppl from across the pond could explain what taking the 5th meant? Some part of ur constitution law thing?]

Quite right, Sammy.

The Fifth refers to the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. Part of the first 10 Amendments which are commonly called The Bill of Rights.

Specifically, the Fifth Amendment says that we have a right not to incriminate ourselves. It means that we cannot be forced to answer questions that might indicate that we have broken the law and the courts are not allowed to assume what our answer would be.

It has several other parts, such as you can't be tried for the same crime twice (double jeopardy) and the government can't talk your property without paying you. But "taking the Fifth" usually refers to self-incrimination.

Of course, as a practical matter, if you are asked, for instance, "Did you kill that guy?" and you answer, "On the advice of my attorney, I am refusing to answer in accordance with my rights under the Fifth Amendment.", then everyone is going to assume that you did it. BUT the court is not allowed to make that assumption and it is basically considered a non-answer to the question. The prosecuter will have to find another way to prove that you did it.

In popular slang the phrase is abbreviated to "taking the Fifth", which used to be a popular saying with mobsters and now is becoming increasing popular with CEOs.

 

[angelle myst]

lol Ok thanks (again )

xxx

 

[Highlander II]

Just a quick question...

Since UPN didn't hand this one over to FX - is there a chance that UPN intends to air it again - possibly in it's uncut format?? (there's always a chance, no?) --

UPN's running through S6 - and this one was skipped, not sure about any others, I got caught up w/ other stuff and haven't been watching --

But - it would be a nice thought - that they show the original uncut version --- just one more time ---- (ie: so those of us who missed it the 1st time can catch it...)

 

[angelle myst]

Its on this Thursday for all English terrestrial viewers, so i'm interested in what version they will be airing myself i think it will be such a shame if the BBC dont give their viewers the same opportunity to see the uncut version like Sky One gave theirs.

xxx

 

[obcooke]

Good luck, Sammy.

Its not that the shorter version is bad, its just that more singing and dancing are better, right?

The only reason that it ran long was that Joss just didn't feel he could cut anymore, even though it was eventually cut more to shoehorn it into an hour.

I hope y'all don't have to wait for the DVD to see the whole thing.

 

[obcooke]

I just heard that BBC showed the short version.

According to the BBC, despite their promise to show the long version, they were only given the "Official International Version" by FOX.

BBCi is reporting that the full version will be released in the UK as a video.

 

[Brit Chick]

I saw it - definately the short version, having seen the sky version I noticed the missing bits - still i got the CD soundtrack last week so I've been singing along to that in my car - the songs really are fantastic and v.easy to sing along to - although I am probably more of a 'Willow' singer - off key ! - probly just as well I'm in the car and no-one else has to hear me :rolly2:

 

[little smaug]

I watched the shorter version, and i was surprised at how much they cut, especially (IMO) the two best quotes of the whole episode:

Dawn: You'll never guess what happened at school today!
Buffy: Everyone started singing and dancing?
Dawn: I gave birth to a pterodactyl.
Anya: Oh my god, did it sing?!

Xander: Does this mean i have to... be your queen?

Spike's face when Xander says that is just priceless! :laugh2:

 

[obcooke]

The thing I miss the most is an entire song.

They leave out "What Can't We Face" which is a wonderful anthem for the Scoobies about being able to beat anything if they work together.

I love that moment when they all symbolically turn and face the same direction as if looking toward some unknown obstacle and sing:

What can't we face if we're together?
What's in this place that we can't weather?
There's nothing we can't face.

I also miss Dawn's dance number, which is fun because its not some highly-polished production number but more like a teenager's dance recital. It shows a future good dancer in her developmental stage.

 

[angelle myst]

They leave out "What Can't We Face" which is a wonderful anthem for the Scoobies about being able to beat anything if they work together.

As well as being an excellent song, it also gives meaning to the lines in Through The Fire, when Buffy sings about being alone and Tara in the background sings "what can't we face, if we're together" and you remember them singing What Can't We Face at the beginning of the ep and you realize the irony of it all.

Also, they cut my fav bit of Spike's song "You know, you got a willing slave and you just love to play the thought that you might misbehave" i think they did anyway. Grr.

The video is out, but because you have to buy half a season at a time, £30 to see an extra 5/10 minutes or so of an ep might seem too much.

xxx

 

[angelle myst]

I'm so annoyed at the BBC right now. Y'know like ppl were ****ed at them because they showed the cut version on Thursday? Turns out that so many ppl complained afterward that they ended up showing the whole thing at 5 to 1 on the Friday night (or Saturday morning) but they only announced it on their website at short notice, grrr.

Full article is here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/buffy/news/02122001.shtml

xxx

 

[Highlander II]

Yeah - they cut out 1/2 of Spike's "Rest in Peace" - and I think they nick the tail off Tara's song -

The biggest bit about cutting 1/2 of Spike's song, is that it cuts to the slow piece and makes no sense -

And - should I shove my rant in here again -- they cut Dawn's dance (which I've never seen) and 1/2 of Spike's song - geee - hmmm -- is this supposed to mean something? they didn't cut much of anyone else's stuff - they didn't cut Xander and Anya's song, nor any of Buffy's, not Tara, not Giles -- me not liking the treatment of Spike and Dawn here ---- they always get shoved in the corner -- ficus plants again -- these two are only important when Buffy wants / needs them to be ----

(yeah - just watched this yesterday - cut version of course - and something new hits me every time) --

I would say I don't know why this bothers me, but I do know - it's b/c on every single show that pops up w/ an ensemble cast - there are always one or two characters who get shoved into the background - even if they are 'important' characters - and nothing is done w/ them, so, they may be crowd faves, but somehow they end up gone b/c the writers just don't get it --- they just can't seem to 'work them in to the story' - I was kind of hoping Joss and co would be different - as I'd always heard they were - but, guess not - they're the same as everyone else - ficus plant city for the latecomers - except Tara and Anya ----- <sigh>

I'll stop ranting now ------

 

[Brit Chick]

They have a Buffy night on Sky 1 on Thursday (2/1/03) and they seem to have set aside nearly 4 hours just to show Season 6 Ep 1 'Becoming' , OMWF and the Richard Blackwood Special - I would guess that means we'll get the full length versions of both of those eps - whaddya think ??

I know thats not a lot of good to anyone with only terrestrial TV but if I'm right at least I'll finally get to see the full version of Ep1.

 

[angelle myst]

Yeah i think your right about the full eps 'cause i was trying to work out the times the other day and i think it roughly works out so...we'll see.

Also there is another ep at Midday they must be getting us in the mood for the new season in January

xxx

 

[obcooke]

I hope you all do get to see the full OMWF. Let us know how that turns out.

Sidebar: Thursday (2/1/03) means Thursday (01/02/03) for us US-types. Or as a European might write it 02Jan03.

I feel spoiled because I recorded it. I even made a copy of it so I wouldn't wear out the original by watching it over-and-over.

I also gave out some copies last year at Xmas to try to get friends interested. I combined it with "The Gift" as the opening act.

I just wish I had thought to record the original at normal speed instead of long-play because it can greatly affect the sound quality.

 

[obcooke]

It seems a little late, but the "Village Voice", an "underground" newspaper in the US, has published a music review of the OMWF soundtrack by columnist Mark Sinker.

It relies heavily on the show to provide context to the songs and includes some thoughts you might enjoy reading.

 

[obcooke]

[Originally posted by OB-Wan:

ANYA: When I get so worn and wrinkly that I look like David Brinkley?

Now, I remember David Brinkley, but is he really enough of a household name to use in this song? Do people in other countries know who he is? Or is it just the only thing that Joss could come up with that rhymed with "wrinkly"?

David Brinkley was a co-host of a network news show (NBC Nightly News) back in the Sixties when there were only three networks in the US. In the Seventies, he hosted the news solo. He was on-screen five days a week for a half-hour for years and years...]

Well, folks, I just heard that David Brinkley died today at the wrinkly age of 82.

But his fame will live on as long as people sing along with Anya.

 

[little smaug]

Amen to that!