3.13: The Devil You Know

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3.13 : The Devil You Know

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After the stuff with the iris in Serpents Song, I was expecting Sokar to be more powerful, personally. Souped up ribbon device type stuff.
 

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But generally, did you like it? Makes me laugh looking at Apophis creeping back up into power. He's such a great orator (sp?)!
 

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Liked it alot. Any show where pretty much everyone gets whumped is fine by me! And a total angst-fest to top it off!!

But seriously, yeah, very cool, though I agree Sokhar wasn't intimidating enough for my taste. But Apophis-mon more than makes up for that. Those scenes with Jolinar and Bynarr were too creepy for words. Added an entire new level of horror.

Daniel: Your mate, Amaunet, is dead. Sorry to ruin your day. No, actually, I'm wrong about that. I'm not sorry.

Jack: Ice tea.... air conditioning ... water.
 

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I think there was good character development, good potential, and hints, they should do dramatic eps like this mroe often!
 

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Just thinking about it now, what makes a really BAD bad-guy? Someone who really intimidates, who has presence, and threat? Know what I mean? For all his pale-faced malevolence, there really wasn't much evil in the character shown for Sokar. Now I know that most of his power comes from the Jaffa, and against his own people from the technology. But to the wised-up humans, he was just another man on the throne who was nothing special.

Imagine someone like "Hannibal the Cannibal" getting that level of technological advantage. But, having watched the two with Tony Hopkins, it was perhaps the confinement and promise of escape which gave the most powerful performance. So, what does this mean for SG-1. Perhaps a psychotic (more so!) Goa'uld who is currently imprisoned by the Goa'uld themselves (or Tok'ra). Someone who mightr have important info?

Nope - probably just rambling again...
 

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Originally posted by PTeppic
Just thinking about it now, what makes a really BAD bad-guy?
Depends what you mean by that. Someone you love to hate, or someone you actually hate? I love to hate ... Apophis, or Tanith, but nobody that I actually hate. If you get that. :rolleyes:
 

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I suppose it can be difficult to build up sufficient tension and history into a character just in the pre-titles, so that they have the background to support the personality by the time we see them?
 

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Apophis Returns

I am so glad Apophis has been brought back. His Phantom of the Opera look adds to his overall creepiness. After having various episodes of cameo appearances, he finally gets an episode where he's in it all the way through. I especially liked the bit where he tells Kintac his plans for Sokar, that springblade was wicked! I still love that Goa'uld Pain Stick used to torture Apophis. It was a good ending where Apophis suddenly leaps up, stabs one of the Red Guards, deflects the other one's staff, swings round and cuts his throat, tries to shoot Sokar and then runs for it all in one go! Now that is action! It was also great having the final shot of the show showing Apophis alive on Delmak.
 

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This episode is probably my favourite episode from Season 3 and I would have to disagree about Sokar, I found him to be very sinister and intimidating, he seems like one of them silent evil kinds, where no one really knows what his thinking. I found him to be slightly more evil then Anubis.
 

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Yeah I mentioned Anubis because of that reason and also they both are quite similar characters. Both wear hoods, Anubis is a bit more mysterious than Sokar, I loved how they gave Sokar such pale skin, looked great.
 

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To be honest I found him difficult to take him seriously. He had considerably too little screen time to give over any sort of lounging menace, i.e. sitting back and condemning to death great hordes of supplicants. He also never seemed to show emotion, hate, leading to anger, etc. ;) There was just a bloke in a big hood with lots of troops. So what.
 

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Originally posted by PTeppic
Just thinking about it now, what makes a really BAD bad-guy?
Originally posted by PTeppic
He also never seemed to show emotion, hate, leading to anger, etc. ;) There was just a bloke in a big hood with lots of troops. So what.
I think the best bad guys do have character development and reasons for doing what they are doing.

In real life, even the most evil people don't wake up in the morning and say "today I am going to be really evil", they have reasons for doing what they do, which they believe to be either correct or else have no other choice. They may be wrong from everyone else's point of view but not from their own. Bullies have usually been the victims of bullies, wife beaters were beaten by their father's themselves, terrorists have a political or religious cause, unpopular dictators know that their enemies would kill them first given any chance, even Harold Shipman (UK's largest mass murderer) thought he was doing the old ladies a favour.

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Doesn't Sokar look a little too Ori -like looking back now?
 

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