3.02: Seth

skydiver

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all in all i liked it a lot. then again i like any eps that focuses on sam a bit a lot...the only real negative thing is that it is the beginning of 'sam changed by jolinar saves the day' theme that runs through a lot of season 3.

good ole jolinar really earns her keep this season
 

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I thought this episode was incredibly sloppy. maybe that's just because it followed Into the Fire which was fantastic. but, as someone said before it felt like just a filler episode.

I found it incredibly hard to believe that sam found it so easy to use the ribbon device all of a sudden (because it took her incredible concentration in Thor's Chariot). Also, it seemed a bit odd that Selmac (a very old and wise Tok'ra) couldn't of killed seth with the RD. Why did Sam have to do it?

And what was with the weird look that sam gave jack after she had killed seth? it was like she was really angry with him or something.

There were heaps of funny scenes that people have already mentioned, but that was about the only thing that held this epy together.
 

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(sorry for the double post)
Oh yeah, i forgot one more thing. Very Important.
Follow me with this....
In the Nox, Apophis uses a personal force sheild which is activated by his ribbon device. Teal'c says that this must be a new feature because he had never seen it before...
Okay, so..
In Seth, when Danny and Jack shoot a Seth and his followers with Zat guns, Seth deflects it with a personal force shield activated by his ribbon device. Now, if Seth has been out of contact with the Goa'uld and the System Lords for thousands of years, how does he manage to have this seemingly new feature on his ribbon device??????
 

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he got the memo...


seth's shield was one of those 'gee the writers shoulda thought of this' moments.
 

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We can all be thankful that the "CURSE ON # 2's" didn't hold for season 4! I am now awaiting #5 to see if "The Other Side" was simply an anomaly.
 

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I sort of liked the ep Seth, it was actually full of great one-liners, most of them pointed out earlier, but my fav, not mentioned

O'Neill: May I ask about the people on the inside?
Jackson: They were usually turned into Eunichs
O'Neill: Eunich as in Snip-a-dee-doo-dah?
 

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I wonder if it was a ad-lib...RDA is noted for his and so is the rest of the cast!
 

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felt I had to elaborate

I thought this ep was good, except it may have been a bit unplausable... How was he able to hid all those years, etc... but their was the one thing Jack said...

"So Help Me, if I wake up and I'm singing soprano..."

But I also wondered if Seth could sense Sams blending, then why would Jacob send her in there?
 

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I thought this ep. was OK, I was just a bit disappointed that they didn't explore the whole idea of Seth being on Earth for thousands of years.
I mean surly this could have been turned into something important in Earth history or something.
Seth could have been the cause of so much evil on Earth etc.:rolleyes:
seand.:evil:
 

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The agenda for the writers was to get Sam to use the hand device, Nothing was explored very well. I guess that is why I wasn't enchanted with the episode... it left so much unsaid and unexplored.
 

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I agree. It also felt cheap. Like, after spending so much on Into the Fire they had to save money by setting an episode here on earth, all standing sets, not much in the way of special effects, few speaking roles for guest stars, and the episode was written to meet those needs rather than the other way around. Seth ain't one of my favorites, either.
 

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Not all that bad. I'd hoped more of the conflict between Jacob and Selmak would become apperant. I did imagine that when that man was talking about his son, that Jacob was getting a serious talking to by Selmak. A question: Is Selmak refered to as male or female now its in Jacob?
 

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I got the impression Selmac was male, even when within Saroushe in the Tok'ra caves. I am not sure how much it matters to them to be in the "right" sexed host, even perhaps in the case of Apophis and Sha're for the events first described in "Secrets".
 

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Originally posted by ShelbyS
I found it incredibly hard to believe that sam found it so easy to use the ribbon device all of a sudden (because it took her incredible concentration in Thor's Chariot).

She was faced with a kill or be killed situation. Maybe that was enough to get her more focused and find whatever it was that let her use the RD.


Or maybe, it was just one of those storyline oversights :D
 

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some have suggested that your personal feelings come into play, and sam was ticked off...seth had just hurt her dad, she was mad and she creamed him.
my only regret is that she hasn't picked up the ribbon device since.
 

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sounds reasonable. Humans probably need that extra something, like high emotion, to feed their ability to control the RD. Whereas the Goa'uld are just power hungry, aggressive and nasty enough as a race to be able to utilise it naturally.

btw, is the RD real Goa'uld technology or something they've ripped off from some-one else? Like the they did with the stargate
 

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Originally posted by ShelbyS
I found it incredibly hard to believe that sam found it so easy to use the ribbon device all of a sudden (because it took her incredible concentration in Thor's Chariot). Also, it seemed a bit odd that Selmac (a very old and wise Tok'ra) couldn't of killed seth with the RD. Why did Sam have to do it?
it is explained later (something like Upgrades?) that the RD is activated by thought control and emotions... and having just seen her father injured, that would lead to a LOT of emotion, even with Selmac to help cure him. As for Jacob not getting there first - just speed of timing? Or maybe he was being gentle and giving Seth a chance? Or just a plot device...
Originally posted by ShelbyS
And what was with the weird look that sam gave jack after she had killed seth? it was like she was really angry with him or something.
I would guess that she is feeling :dead: at having had to kill someone, and in such a gruesome way. [This is not a sex thing!] I am guessing that like most soldiers, she is human underneath, and really prefers not having to kill people. And the ribbon device seems quite unpleasant in what it does, as most of SG-1 know too well.
 

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that and it has to be horribly shocking to discover you can cream someone with the mere power of your mind...something we're certainly not used to.
actually i'd think it'd be sorta scary
 

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Just watched this last night and I loved the Jaffa joke and how Teal'c cracked up. But I felt kind of bad for him cause no one else laughed. Poor guy. But man, he looks like a totally different guy when he was a facial expression other than "stern and forbidding". Other than that...I think it was a decent episode. Not the best, not the worst. I kind of feel like Sam's Goa'uld markers are getting to be a little bit too Deis ex Machina though.
 

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