Is Colonel Harry Maybourne A Toad?

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We all know him, and as far as I can tell we all want to see him with jam in his pockets... Yup the Colonel is toast!
Is Maybourne really a Toad, or is he actually very good at his job.

Are his schemes to the advantage or disadvantage of Earth.

Was his recent (and apparent) defeat by Jack, the Asgard and, the Nox really a defeat or just more smoke and mirrors.

Simply put...

"Does Harry Play Good A Good Game Of Chess"

Your thoughts...

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I really need to watch that episode again but yes i think he is a toad. Yet still, perphas the sgc are a little naive when it comes down to nation defense. What they are dealing with is what will determine the life and death of earth. At any moment one of the teams could go through the gate, upset some powerful race and we all get killed beacuse of it. It reminds me of an outer limits episode when these miners go onto a planet which they are told has no alien life forms on it (intelligent ones), anyway these things that seem a little clever get in the way so they kill them. In fact they were a group of kids on a camping holiday. Their ship comes to get them, sees they are dead, finds out where earth is and promotly goes off there to do what ever it wants.. the stargate is the same and Politics although a slightly boring ep is really quite relevant.
We do need to get more technology to defend the planet, we really are in mortal danger. Will the Goa'uld come and attack again, probably when they get round to it. I am amazed that huge amounts are not being put into space research to get ships going! we have a lot of catching up to do. The only real way will be to tell the planet but how possible is that?

I think most nations actually rely on a few who have little or no morality but actually in hurting a few prevent a lot of pain to others. This is a question we do in Ethics all the time when can we step on the minority to help the majority? say if teal'c goa'uld died, would sgc be happy to go to a planet, find a jaffa, take him home and take our his goa'uld knowing he will die? one death for the benefit that Teal'c can bring to earth etc...

Still he is a toad, we are meant to hate him but perhaps he serves a purpose, doing dirty work so everyone else can have a happy conscience. It is easier sometimes to say "that is against my principles" than ok, i know it is wrong but is necessary.

now i am rambling ... hehe

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The whole thing reminds me of a story told by one of my professors. If you can't figure out why it's because your mind doesn't work like mine and you'd probably better thank the gods for that.
At the university where he got his degree someone went into the university library and stole all the books on ethics.

Yes, I believe Maybourne's a told, but he is a necessary toad. He does the same as Jack 'damned distateful things', but where Jack will not step over certain lines in doing them, Maybourne will. There are times when we actually need people like this and even though we might not agree with their politics, we have to, IMHO, applaud their goals.

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I for one don’t believe for a second Maybourne thought Jack was going to be on his side. He is way smarter then that. Because they were getting too close to his operation he had to give something to the SGC. Although I don’t agree with all of his actions, I kinda like the “toadâ€. Like sean3w said, sometimes you just wanna punch him in the face, to wipe that smirk off. Or let Teal’c do it for you *grin*, he would like that.

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"Maybourne this is Teal'c. Teal'c this is Maybourne. I'll leave you two alone for while so you can..oh I dont know,talk about philosophy or something. And Maybourne,dont worry if I just happen to lock the door behind myself" *heheheh*
 

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ROFL! We could always give him to Sokar after Teal'c has finished playing with toady. To hell with him...but only for a couple of days then he has to come back cuzzz I would miss the cute little "devil". Does that make sense?????
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Marleen has brought up a couple of intresting points.
Firstly Sokar is I believe dead :) (as far as we know as he didn't get off the Moon before it blew up S3M13, but nobody ever dies even if they appear to, ask any script writer:)

Apophis however is very much alive and appears to control all that used to be Sokar's which is probably why he looked like the cat who stole the cream @ the end of the episode, so perhaps he could stand in until Sokar gets resurected.

Secondly your point about Maybourne not beleiving Jack. That's what I was looking for when I posted the question...

Just suppose...

1] Maybourne knows he needs to get his hands on Alien high Tech to benifit Earth.

2] He realises that in doing so he is going to upset any of said aliens who are our allies.

3] He concludes that the alliances with the Tollan, Asgard and the Nox are also of equally high importance to Earth.

4] He realises that a number of his operatives in the field are going to get busted regardless, even if he recalls them.

5] He lets the situation continue until the point where the SGC get involved but making sure he can't be implicated.

6]He approaches Jack knowing he can't trust him, but he has nothing to loose. He also realises Jack is less likley to eliminate his operatives than the Asgard or other aliens.

7] He keeps retrieving technology right up until the last minuite - Loads of items to reverse engineer. He looses his pawns but they are alive, he can get them back later.

In essence everybody wins.... The SGC get rid of an informant (Col Makepeace) but there will be others. The Allies retrieve some of the technology they lost, and no more will be stolen (for a while). Maybourne gets ... Conclusive proof he can't trust Jack, enough technlology to keep the Tefal heads busy for years, the continuation of the Earth Alien aliences, and the ability to continue his job...What's he going to come up with next I wonder.

Personally I agree he is a toad and as such should be delt with by the Budweiser Ferret, but as Padders and Mythinglink pointed out we need him even if it does leave a nasty after taste.

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What happens...No don't tell me...ok do tell me...no I can wait..really I can...not...*sigh*

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I like Sime's ideas but i guess season 4 is going to enlighten us.. oh well... more time to wait!
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Really is kind of horrible not being able to mention certain things because they are spoilers for Season 4. Especially when it concerns current discussions.
Hopefully you'll all be caught up shortly.

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The hardest thing for me on these posting sites is remembering that this event or that event occurred in season two not three and remembering before I post that some people have not seen that episode yet and dont want to know so as not to spoil the surprise. I hope I havent spoiled to much in with past episodes for others inadvertantly,if so I apoligise.
I have a question for you all. Do you think Maybourne is doing all this on his own or is there a deeper conspiricy going all the way to the top (ie JCS or even the President of the US).
 

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The spolier issue is hard. For people who have only seen a few episodes it is best to stick in the Specific Episode forum where each topic should only have 1 ep discussed in it.
I think from the sounds of it that the general people here either watch on Sky One so are up to end of Series 3, (also australia in same situation) or on Showtime. The people who watch on Syndicated or Channel 4 need to be careful :)

Not long to wait for me ... yipee.

back to post:

I don't think the president knows, no evidence at all for that but he seems to be too good friends with Hammond for hammond not to know. I am sure some dodgy Senator does though or someone else, the money has to come from somewhere.

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I'd almost have to guess that there is some private interest here ... someone with lots of bucks to spend and lots of people who owe them favors. I kind of got that feeling listening to that guy Hammond talked to in Touchstone and then again, when Maybourne himself made some rather cryptic comments about 'higher or more powerful forces at work'.
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Makes me wonder how many people actually know about the stargate.
Did they ever find out how that reporter who got killed in what ever episode is what actually find out about the stargate?

I am amazed there are not more leaks to be honest.

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Of couse :)
that reminds me, i never read the end of your story.. going on holiday cut me off half way through.. better go back to that :) cool.

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