Terry Goodkind Wizard Rules

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someone really said less is more about goodkind? do they not understand what that means? because from wha ti cuild tell, goodkind went for the MORE is MORE writing technique, not the less is more! his books are heavy with teh same old thing, again and again, shouting at us in case we missed it the first hundred times.

and yeah, brys, that's what bothers me about goodkind's fans the most, that they do just overlook the violence, the rape, the preaching. i'd like just one or two to say, ok, there's a lot of rape and violence, and i hate it, but ilike the story anyway. instead of to try and justify it, or just ignore it. why do they feel the need to justify it? i like george r martin, and robin hobb's farseer triliogy, but if i found something in there that i didn't like (and i have done) i;d say it was good except for this. i don't understand the idea that goodkind is perfect and can do no wrong, belief that some fans have. not just goodkind, of course. i've met that with jordan fans, eddings fans and so on. baffles me.
 

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The only Goodkind I ever read was Wizard's Rule, not that I could actually finish the book. It now comes in handy during long winter evenings as a filler fuel when I've run out of logs and feel too lazy to go chop some more wood...
 

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:p i ebayed mine. and the three others. rather disturbed me when the buyer emailed me to say how much he loved them! i was glad for him, but still, i didn't understand why he did.

just as i don't understand why other people do.
 

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ebay, its a marveouls place to get rid of rubbish :) and i definetly wanted to make back some cash on my bad purchase! :)
 

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I eBayed mine too :D

I tend to find that books don't usually sell very well on eBay (people often aren't prepared to pay more on postage than on books). The only time it's worked with me is with fantasy series - I think people like buying the whole lot in one go, knowing they won't have to trek to the bookstore on the offchance they might have book 2 of a trilogy in stock.

If I sell individual books I usually try Amazon, where people are more used to paying postage that might cost more than the item they're buying.
 

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Heh, I also ebayed mine. I thought the first book was ok. I didn't finish the second and never started the third.
 

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I actually read the first half of Wizard's First Rule thinking that it was trying to be a parody of bad fantasy - the bad writing, the bad cliches, paper-thin moralizing/philosophy, etc. - but I was confused because none of it was actually funny. Did I feel stupid when I realized that it was all meant to be serious. My brain actually hurt after reading through the book. Needless to say, I haven't read another.

But that chicken bit, wow, that's pure comedy gold. Are we sure he's not writing a devilishly subtle parody? ;)
 

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i don't think he's smart enough!
a friend of mine was scared of the chicken bit. but i guess my friend was daft enough to read the books, and like them, so we can't really trust his opinion on whether the chicken bit is good or not :) (don't tell him i said that)
 

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Coolhand, you've seen nothing yet. Trust me. The chicken bit is great, but then the hero also kicks in an eight-year old girl's teeth when the "thing" rises up in him, he slaughters a load of innocent peace protesters and there is of course the noble goat. (Not to mention the sheer cliff face named Blunt Mountain with a path running along it at near mid-height).
I think they marketed his books wrongly - the person who accepted the manuscript probably saw the unique comic potential of his books, but then they decided to market it as standard epic fantasy. It's quite clearly comical fantasy up there with the likes of Pratchett. I don't see how anyone can fail to laugh at the idea of the chicken that is not a chicken.

And a link to the best piece of Goodkind "fan fiction" in existence: Goodkind is our God :: View topic - Faith of the Fallen (where it started to go downhill)

It's so bad it could be Goodkind himself writing it.

All this stuff is true, but you're forgetting something of utmost importance...

What about the war wizard who can't eat meat because he's too busy killing? then "Magically" finds the time to eat meat and kill at the same time.?

I tell you, either Terry Goodkind is the worst writer in the world, or he's one of the damn funniest men on the planet.
 

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i don't think he's smart enough!
a friend of mine was scared of the chicken bit. but i guess my friend was daft enough to read the books, and like them, so we can't really trust his opinion on whether the chicken bit is good or not :) (don't tell him i said that)

Oh trust me. The entire sequence with the "chicken" is good. If your friend still has the book, ask him to let you borrow it for five minutes, so you can have a laugh.
 

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i think you misunderstood the rule it says " people are stupid, People can be made to believe any lie, either because they want it to be true or because they fear that it is" this is very true for life how do we really know whats lie's and truth. in the first book richard defeats his father darken rahl by using the wizards first rule who is a much powerful wizard, i think terry goodkind showing that anyone is susceptible to the rule e.g richard himself breaks the rule later on in the series when he belives he can't eat meat because he has to balance his life with all the killing he does, where he was believing a lie and caused much problems with his gift.
 

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i think you misunderstood the rule it says " people are stupid, People can be made to believe any lie, either because they want it to be true or because they fear that it is" this is very true for life how do we really know whats lie's and truth. in the first book richard defeats his father darken rahl by using the wizards first rule who is a much powerful wizard, i think terry goodkind showing that anyone is susceptible to the rule e.g richard himself breaks the rule later on in the series when he belives he can't eat meat because he has to balance his life with all the killing he does, where he was believing a lie and caused much problems with his gift.
 

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whats the go with everyone bashing the chicken scene, it's clearly not a comedy scene, i think terry goodkind is trying to set the scene for how dangerous the 'chimes' are and that they can manifest anywhere. it's also a minor part in the (so far) 10 book series. i'm only young, not vey smart and have only been reading for a couple of years so my views might be misguided.
i think the books are really good and the rules very insightful, one of my favourites is out of book six (faith of the fallen) where he says the only soverign you can allow to rule you is reason, simply brillant this is the case in relegions, politics, relationships (friends, family, lovers) and life.
i don't understand people bashing his books, especially if you have not read them all i wonder what books you guys have written or great undertakings you have done?
 

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Hi there Mr Blue. Welcome to the Chronicles, you'll find it a freindly, interesting place to be. :) Even when members disagree about things.

Glad to hear that you've found a fantasy series that you like.
Terry Goodkind does seem to be one of those writers that people either really love or really hate. If you google him, you'll find webpages and forums that adore him and wepbages and forums that loathe him. Which makes the whole thing all the more interesting really.

I've not read much of his stuff apart from the first two chapters of his first book and the chicken scene, so I'm not really qualified to judge his work as a whole. One thing I would say though:

i don't understand people bashing his books, especially if you have not read them all i wonder what books you guys have written or great undertakings you have done?

I see that comment a lot when someone is defending a writer or piece of work they like. The problem is that it doesn't really work as an argument.

Firstly, some of us here actually are writers, including some published ones. Secondly, I'm not a chef, but I can tell when food is not well cooked. I'm not a mechanic, but I can tell when my car is going wrong. I can't play a musical instrument but I can tell when someone else is playing out of tune.

So just because we don't write or are not published doesn't mean we can't have an opinion as to the quality of a book or the ability of a writer.

Once again, welcome to the Chron.:) If you like Goodkind, you might also like David Gemmell's work. Swords, magic and ass-kicking heros are major themes in Gemmell's books as well.
 

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please don't compare goodkind to gemmel :( even if they may have a few similiar themes, they're miles apart in talent.

i read goodkind. four books at least, so i think i can comment on that at least. i couldn't have read the rest. i just couldn't have stomached any more rape. *shrug* and the chicken scene, well it scared my friend ken, but it just made me cry with laughter. im sorry. there's just nothing scarey abotu a chicken, even a demented one. seeing it out of context does, perhaps, take away some of the tension and atmosphere that would be there if we read the whole thing and knew the setting and so on. but it still wouldn't change the fact that it's a chicken. *shrug*

but don't put yourself down! just because you're young, doesn't mean you're not smart or you are misguided or that your views don't matter. because they do :) you may love the series when you're far older and wiser too (my friend ken loves them and he's 27 and graduated cambridge. age and intellegence has no bearings on what you like or what you thik :)) it's just that i don't like them myself. don't let what we say ruin it for you or make you doubt your own opinions. you thik what you want :)
 

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Hi there Mr Blue. Welcome to the Chronicles, you'll find it a freindly, interesting place to be. :) Even when members disagree about things.

Glad to hear that you've found a fantasy series that you like.
Terry Goodkind does seem to be one of those writers that people either really love or really hate. If you google him, you'll find webpages and forums that adore him and wepbages and forums that loathe him. Which makes the whole thing all the more interesting really.

I've not read much of his stuff apart from the first two chapters of his first book and the chicken scene, so I'm not really qualified to judge his work as a whole. One thing I would say though:



I see that comment a lot when someone is defending a writer or piece of work they like. The problem is that it doesn't really work as an argument.

Firstly, some of us here actually are writers, including some published ones. Secondly, I'm not a chef, but I can tell when food is not well cooked. I'm not a mechanic, but I can tell when my car is going wrong. I can't play a musical instrument but I can tell when someone else is playing out of tune.

So just because we don't write or are not published doesn't mean we can't have an opinion as to the quality of a book or the ability of a writer.

Once again, welcome to the Chron.:) If you like Goodkind, you might also like David Gemmell's work. Swords, magic and ass-kicking heros are major themes in Gemmell's books as well.


Thanks for the introduction. The points you make is very true coolhand you seem to know what your talking about and yes it does not really work as a argument and mostly it's people's personal opinion of what they like, as i said i've only been reading for a few years but the first writer i read was Gemmel and really liked his work i liked him so much i have bought his complete workings and read his books two and three times (my favourite would be his rigante series), and waiting in anticipation for gemmels wife to complete his 'troy trilogy'.
recently a friend put me on to Raymond E Fiest and i quite like him his books, they have diversity when he teams up with Janny Wurts and others, i've bought his complete works too and have about two or three books left could you reccomend another, because you probaly could guess the books i like.

look forward to discussions with you in the future
 

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