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Who is Wolf?

Discussion in 'David Eddings' started by oneortwo, Jun 17, 2006.

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    Abbot

    Abbot Well-Known Member

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    Its still doesnt solve the fact of horses existance, was it part of the prophecy at all? or was it just to proove that even without the orb garion was capable of doing anything. plus in none of the books of the seers it doesnt even mention horse.
     
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    Talysia

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    That's a good point. I hadn't given it much thought up until then, but I shall have to get the books out again and put on my thinking cap. It may have been part of the Prophecy, although I'm not sure.
     
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    Abbot

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    Ive checked the books af the seers in the rivan codex it doesnt mention horse at all and i cant find a site were people have taken extracts from the B and M and made a coherant rightly orderd prophecy. I remember David Eddings mentioning that the reason why he didnt add the actual prophecy in the rivan codex is because he didnt want to create a cult/religioun following hes books lol. So....Whyd he leave in the holy scriptures of the gods in the rivan codex then?
     
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    HappyHippo

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    hmmm...
    1) I think Wolf really is just an abandoned cub.
    2) Ce'Nedra bonded with him - a lonely and injured 'baby' -while searching for her stolen child. Probably some sublimating going on there!
    3) In Belagarath, doesn't Beldin mention attempting to change into an Angarak to see if the language of other races can be learnt that way? Is it possible Geran has a hereditary ability to speak wolfish, which is only shown through his relationship with the Wolf? Like children of bilingual households can learn both lanuguages by exposure?

    Abbot, I don't think any prophecy's ever coherent! I think he left the holy scriptures in to show off (he admits it with the Nyissan text). Also to prove how much background he did before even starting out.
     
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    Quokka

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    Ok its been a LONG time since I read this so I may be well off but from memory isnt the last scene in the Mallorean between Geran and the wolf?

    I remember thinking at the time that there were hints that the 'purpose' was the wolf. Maybe just piggy backing rather than entirely during the series as it had to remain neutral but once its purpose was fulfilled and everything is back on track it's free of responsibilities and decided it wanted to relax and watch the world as it should be through the eyes of the wolf for awhile?
     
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    ghost8772

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    First point, Several characters in Belgariad and mallorean have learned to speak wolf. without transofrming themselves into the shape of a wolf. Polgara and Garion had been written to understand bird language before they ever changed into an avian form. as far as wolf goes, during the polgara epilogue, the Eddings did put a lot of effort into encouraging the readers to think that wolf is different/special/something not QUITE as it seems, if that is the case I'd vote that despite the words spoken, he IS POledra and Belgarath's Son. after all Zith's Pregnancy was held in stasis for a while, why not have a god stop Poledra from delivering her third "pup" until a specific time. yeah a bit of a stretch, I know, at the end they gave a description of him basically patiently watching, waiting that sort of thing. fits kinda nicely to my mind of wolf being related to poledra, so toss a curve ball that way...
     
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    sayn

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    I have the book Polgara the Sorceress right in front of me so I'm going to leave a few paragraphs.

    That subterranean little game Aunt Pol and her father had played with each other for centuries and produced a surprise winner, a winner they hadn’t even realized was taking part in their game. They’d spent three thousand years nipping at each other in half−serious play, and for all that time, the wolf Poledra had watched them play, patiently waiting for them to squirm around into the exact position where she wanted them to be, and then she had pounced.
    “You’d understand that, wouldn’t you, Wolf?” she murmured to her son’s companion.
    Wolf opened his golden eyes and thumped his tail briefly on the bed in acknowledgment.
    That startled Ce’Nedra just a bit. Wolf seemed to know exactly what she was thinking. Who was this Wolf anyhow? She quickly pushed that thought into the back of her mind. The possibility that Wolf might not be who − or what − he seemed was something Ce’Nedra wasn’t prepared to deal with just now.

    This next paragraph is the last of the book.

    Wolf lay there on the foot of Geran’s bed looking at the dying fire in the fireplace with those golden eyes of his for quite a long time. Everything seemed to be as it was supposed to be, so Wolf sighed contentedly, stretched his muzzle out on his front paws, and went back to sleep.


    Maybe David & Leigh Eddings put these scenes in the book so that our imaginations can take over and so that we can form our own opinions. Authors have done that before.
     
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    evil_genius666

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    Hahaha! Even though he wont include the prophecy in the rivan codex I'm still obssessed with it. Lol. Actually can you remember when Eriond, Polgara and Durnik visited Garion and Ce'Nadra in Riva? Garion gave Horse to Eriond and the prophech said "Done" and Garion asked what was it that was done and the prophecy said something about "Nicely done Garion. I wanted those two together" or something like that. Its in one of the Mallorean books.

    As for Wolf. I think he's just a simple wolf. Or maybe Geran got Wolf and Eriond got Horse as part of the reward of the Prophecy? Remember that Geran was the Child of Dark in the end and Eriond was the Child of Light. I dont know I might be wrong.
     
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    Karn Maeshalanadae

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    Horse is the calf that Garion brought back from the dead. He's special because he passed through the veil of life and death, and I think that's how he somehow got special powers.....though he certainly didn't help at all when Garion sunk himself into the ground in the Vale! :D :D :D :D :D
     
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    Talysia

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    Lol, very true, Mana!:D

    The more I think about it, the more I think Eddings put these little mysteries in there to make us wonder. It's been a while since I read them, true, but...
     
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    Reading_fanatic

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    Hey doesn't Poledra say that he was just an ordinary wolf pup that she found (This is when Belgarath asked about it after she reveals herself but I can't find the exact passage) and if I remember rightly in the Belgarath book he makes reference to the fact that wolves don't lie?

    (Or I could be wrong)
     
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    evil_genius666

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    No one really knows where Wolf came from. But hey Poledra told Belgarath that she found Wolf. But she told that to him in human form so maybe theres a difference? Maybe she cant lie as a wolf but she can as a human? I might be wrong.
     
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    LJonesy

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    How far into Pawn of Prophecy ARE you!?
     
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    ghost8772

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    Wolves might not lie but Poledra pushed the limits on it to the extreme. Polgara asked her where her puppies were, and was told that there was only one left etc... instead of saying that it was one she had taken responsibility for. I still think that wolf was a male child that was "held" from being born. Wolves having usually more than two puppies in a litter. Simpler terms, still think Wolf is Polgara's full brother, just a looooong time waiting to be born.
     
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    LJonesy

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    "Mister Wolf" or "Old Wolf" is obviously Belgarath... Is everyone talking about a part of the book further down the line or something? Because i've only just started on Magicians Gambit.
     
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    Talysia

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    I think people are talking about the wolf cub that appears towards the end of the Malloreon series - the follow up to the Belgariad. It's been a while since I read it, though.:)
     
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    LJonesy

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    It all makes sense now. Originally, i had thought it was Belgarath they were talking about, and that's such an obvious thing to see in the book
     
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    devilsgrin

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    as much as this would be cool... Belgarath finally having a son... i can't believe it. If for no other reason than its a slap in Polgara's face - to know that Necessity, or Poledra even, conspired to keep a brother secret and on hold for 4000 years and yet subjected her to constant pain and heartache in the meantime. Imagine the help a brother could have provided - another sorceror to help Belgarath and Co.
     
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    ghost8772

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    and for HOW many years was Poledra dead? considering how much fun the Necessity had with holding pregnancies at bay (Zith) the possibility is out there. Though if Wolf was a third child of POledra and Belgarath, it would possibly be that he is a momma's boy. Polgara and Beldaran were more their father's daughters, taught and corrupted by him.

    anyways, its more likely that the pup was a common wolf that had to be left behind, and not related.
     
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    devilsgrin

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    common wolf pup is all i ever thought of him as.
     
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