2.09: Fear The Walking Dead - Los Muertos

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After the fall of the compound, Madison, Strand and others forge a tenuous path forward. Meanwhile, Nick is recruited for a perilous assignment.

Redeemed: Nick, Daniel, Madison and Strand

Main Characters on the kill-list: Chris, Alice, Travis and Ofelia
 
Nick again proved his ability to survive, or at least his ability to fast-talk the managers of the Tijuana Costco into sparing his hand. When it comes to drug knowledge, Nick is the go-to guy.
On the topic of drugs, I find it hard to believe that the pharmacist, as a man of science, is so thoroughly into the cult of the dead thing. I know that it's a Mexican belief, but I would think that his education would have enabled him to distinguish myth from reality. Sacrificing the living to the Wall of the Dead is just sick.
That big chunk allegedly bitten from the pharmacist's shoulder must have some scientific explanation. Maybe he has a natural immunity to whatever is causing the dead to reanimate.
I also can't believe that Strand and Madison felt comfortable enough in the hotel bar to get smashed. The shot of them standing inside the bar surrounded by walkers with outstretched hands didn't look a whole lot different than any downtown bar on a Friday night during happy hour. :LOL:

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Tijuana's Safe-Zone looks amazingly well situated. It's well defended and it has a lot of space to put up gardens for the living. The Dead should be kept outside the walls, not inside to beef up their belief system, because there only need to be one mistake and it will be fatal for the survivors inside TSZ.

I feel so sorry for Strand losing Abigail. It was a beautiful boat. One that could have been their safe-heaven, while they gather together supplies and safe locations to grow crops. But what I love is their decision on going forward, while leaving behind marks for Travis and Chris.

The hotel is amazing location. It just like out from so many zombie flicks and games that I've gone over the years. Desolation inside it, leads you should easily to situations are potentially very dangerous. We have seen so often what trapped zombies can do to the survivors.

People think that they're safe because there's no moaning. But that's false sense of security. And while Luciana thinks she's fine with the dead, when they finally go away, the risk isn't going to dissipate because this current apocalypse is second instance of the dead coming back.

So, even if the dead would turn to good top soil eventually, the risk of third apocalypse appearing is going to stay possible till the end of Earth. There is no cure for the disease. Not one that our current level of science could produce. Not without fully understanding everything on how to turn the switch back after the person gets fever and turns infected.

I felt sorry for Madison losing her family. She's a survivor and she always fought for her children. So I understand the need of her letting out steam and smashing glasses in the hotel's bar. It's what I would have done, instead of going out to hunt zombies.

In Kirkman's world that is job for all survivors. But Strand's crew haven't understood that. They haven't understood completely the need of being dead silent. In fact, most people in the world don't have a culture of silence.

To us Finns that is obvious thing as we are born into it, but Mexican and American culture is far from the ideal. Both of them like to talk. To Finn's there's no small talk. No gossip about weather and everything. In fact, disturbing silence can be quite rude act to do.

We just would have got drunk quietly in Hotel's bar, while Madison's and Strand's act brought them a small horde of hungry zombies. It's going to be difficult act for them get away.

What did you think?
 
The shot of them standing inside the bar surrounded by walkers with outstretched hands didn't look a whole lot different than any downtown bar on a Friday night during happy hour. :LOL:

I laughed out loud when the zombies started dropping from the balconies. It was very well done. So obvious and so brilliant. :rolleyes:
 
I laughed out loud when the zombies started dropping from the balconies. It was very well done. So obvious and so brilliant. :rolleyes:
I feared that the first one who zipped by the window was Ofelia, who seems to be looking forward to joining her family in death. Then, it started raining zombies.
It was Strand's virtuoso piano performance that motivated the dead to start jumping? (It might have had the same effect on me.:D) I would think that, as they stumbled around in their rooms, that they would have regularly found their way to the balconies and taken the plunge.
 
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I feared that the first one who zipped by the window was Ofelia, who seems to be looking forward to joining her family in death. Then, it started raining zombies.

The sight of them stumbling into the balconies made me clap my hands together as I realised what was about the happen next. But initially the shock of seeing someone passing by the window makes you think 'WTF is happening?' And you start think the obvious answer...

So, really seeing zombies raining down on the ground was as good comedy as what we saw in Rick's and Daryl's episode at 6.10: The Walking Dead - The Next World
 
Hey, this just occurred to me. Maybe I've missed it, but have the central characters in FTWD come up with their own name for zombies? "Walkers" became the label fairly quickly in TWD for Rick and company, although other groups in the series have had alternate names.
 
I find it hard to believe that the pharmacist, as a man of science, is so thoroughly into the cult of the dead thing. I know that it's a Mexican belief, but I would think that his education would have enabled him to distinguish myth from reality...
I'm not so sure. We don't do religious discussions here on Chronicles but safe to say that there are plenty of sensible, well-educated people who believe in the rapture and interpret the the Christian Bible to predict eschatology, including scientists. There are even scientists who can quite easily dismiss peer-reviewed and proven fields of science in favour of contrary biblical teachings, or who find absolutely no conflict between them. In stressful times such as these people need to believe in something. The pharmacist was correct about that - hope or Faith can really move mountains. Even so, I'm not totally convinced that he really believes it himself or if he sees it as necessary to keep them alive.

That big chunk allegedly bitten from the pharmacist's shoulder must have some scientific explanation. Maybe he has a natural immunity to whatever is causing the dead to reanimate.
I assume that the writers here do actually have another, more immunological-based explanation for him being bitten and surviving. If he is actually immune to the disease then in the real world his blood could produce a serum to inoculate everyone else. However, in the real world I'd also need some scientific explanation of how an infection can actually re-animate dead bodies too (bearing in mind that in Haitian folklore zombies required the use of magic.) He would be a special person though as we haven't yet seen anyone else who is immune.

I feared that the first one who zipped by the window was Ofelia, who seems to be looking forward to joining her family in death.
I also thought it was Ofelia but then wondered why she had gone upstairs (wasn't it already high enough a floor?) I think we were meant to suppose that.
Then, it started raining zombies... It was Strand's virtuoso piano performance that motivated the dead to start jumping... as they stumbled around in their rooms, that they would have regularly found their way to the balconies and taken the plunge.
I agree. We see them follow sounds from long distances so playing the piano was asking for trouble.
 
However, in the real world I'd also need some scientific explanation of how an infection can actually re-animate dead bodies too (bearing in mind that in Haitian folklore zombies required the use of magic.)

Haiti zombies are nothing but victims of the scolopomine. That drug will steal all of their will and open them for suggestions, in which some might ask them walk around dead like. The victims are also known to have emptied their bank accounts and so for while they were under this hallucinogenic drug.

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This tree is known as Devil's Breath, and it is advised to not fall in sleep under it, when it's flowering.
 
A zombie apocalypse could be a tiny bit stressful, but human sacrifice? :eek:
Okay, you have a point about the pharmacist guy. Either he really believes what he was preaching or else he is particularly cruel and quite evil. I'd still say that he could believe it and be a scientist at the same time without any conflict of interest in his own mind.
Haiti zombies are nothing but victims of the scolopomine.
I've no doubt that you are correct, at least for the origin of the folklore.

It doesn't really alter my point though. The "walkers" aren't under the influence of a sleeping drug. They have missing arms and rotten legs. TWD showed us the CDC and made it clear this was a disease, but how can a virus, bacteria or other infection, animate dead people? I also realise that this is a kind of urban/modern-day folklore, so not just TWD to blame, but if you are going to make a scientific reason for zombies rather than a supernatural reason, then it must make sense. If the writers want people to ponder the question of how the well-educated pharmacist can believe it is a judgement brought by God while at the same time knowing it is an infectious disease, then we first need to believe that such an infectious disease could actually exist.
 
It doesn't really alter my point though. The "walkers" aren't under the influence of a sleeping drug. They have missing arms and rotten legs. TWD showed us the CDC and made it clear this was a disease, but how can a virus, bacteria or other infection, animate dead people?

It's clear that zombification is a process doctors doesn't have a cure for. The only pill for it is a bullet in the brain, but eventually if TWD world would find professors and other scientists, maybe they could do a further study into the disease and possibly learn methods to cope with the symptoms. Maybe even delay them. But till that day arrives we have to take it granted that there isn't going to be a cure for this pathogen.

then we first need to believe that such an infectious disease could actually exist.

There is that South American mushroom. Apparently it can turn victims to zombies.
 
I'd still say that he could believe it and be a scientist at the same time without any conflict of interest in his own mind.
I don't doubt that. I know people who practice both religion and science. It's a rare combination, in my experience.

how can a virus, bacteria or other infection, animate dead people?
Nanites. Evil nanites, disguised as viruses, controlled by earth-conquering aliens. ;) When the last human is dead, the aliens will turn the nanites off, and the war will be over.
Shouldn't take too long in Kirkman's universe, with surviving humans so intent on killing each other. :cry:
 
We may find it is a participant in the dark arts who is also the greatest necromancer ever. They animated a few corpses and infected with a virus that can be spread through saliva entering open wounds. Now how the original corpses still had saliva I haven't worked out.

Now I'll wait quietly for the men in white coats to come and take me away.
 

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