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Chris Chibnall Replaces Steven Moffat on Doctor Who

Moffat is leaving after season 10. Chibnall will be taking over as the showrunner.

Another thing to note from the article:
fter six series at the helm, Doctor Who showrunner Steven Moffat has officially announcement that he will step down as the series’ lead writer and executive producer following one last series beginning in the spring of 2017. 2016 will be year without new Doctor Who episodes, save for a Christmas special in December.
 
So we have to wait till 2018 to see the new guy's series?
 
well i think it's about time myself. moffat has been great, but his ideas seem to be getting a bit stale. real shame we still have to wait so long though!
 
I am suspecting from the posts so far, that nobody here knows who Chibnall is....

He is the man who gave Ianto's partially Cyber Converted Girlfriend Lisa, a Metal Bra and High Heels (like every Cyberman, Not!) he is the man who basically is the reason why the first couple of Torchwood seasons, if not totally bombed, then certainly nowhere near as popular as it should have been - he is a big reason why instead of Torchwood being the "adult sci fi drama set in the Dr Who universe, it was mostly more like it was aimed at sniggering, juvenile 15 year olds - You know Children of Earth was received much better and the Starz co-produced Torchwood Special was extremely popular? Guess what, Chibnall was not involved in them.... I don't know how the "normal" people viewed them, but his Dr Who episodes are very widely disliked amongst the Fans.

Remember Camelot and the UK remake of Law and Order? No? oh yeah, they bombed, big time. It has been pointed out that Broadchurch on which he was Show Runner was quite popular, and a couple of one of dramas, which fans generally seem to like, despite expecting crud since Chibnall was showrunner. Basically, his career of the last few years suggests that he is perfectly capable of running and writing a traditional drama series, but he cannot write decent Science Fiction, especially not Dr Who, and his episodes under Moffat were only not even worse because he had Moffat looking over his shoulder, unlike RTD's era where RTD was more concerned with giving mates jobs, than whether they were decent writers.

I have been a Fan since I was 5 in 1983. There have been lots of things I didn't like, and I was extremely worried when they revealed a chap who looked about 14 was hired to be the 11th Doctor, though thankfully, that turned out extremely well, as Matt turned out to be an awesome doctor. The Announcement that Chibnal is becoming Show Runner is the One and Only thing that is seriously going to challenge my love and loyalty to the show. I am seriously concerned that his first season will see our wonderful show Cancelled, and sent back to the Dark Times.

He simply does not have the experience, nor the skills to be the show runner of a major science fiction series, not one he has proven to struggle to write for well. Funnily enough when Camelot was canned after 1 series, he then turned round and claimed "I decided I was not going to work on the second one anyway" Like the Moff, he is a lifelong fan, but I am not sure he has the Moff's skill in putting the wider audience before the fans. End of the day, the Moff has been writing for, show running, and show creating a variety of different genre programmes for over 25 year years, RTD for all his various faults, did very well on a good day (hence the surprise when he was bad) and of course, he not only engineered the Show's return, but made it so popular, it is still here 10 years later, but then, like the Moff, RTD has also been writing, show running, and creating a variety of different genre shows for over 25 years. In contrast Chibnall has Show Run 2 major shows that were axed due to the audience switching off in droves, a couple of one off drama's 1 major show that was in fairness successful, and episodes for Dr Who, Life on Mars & Torchwood - Not really the CV for someone to be running Dr Who, yet.

The worst thing is though, and I wont ever forgive him for it, is they are literally kicking Capaldi out, so Chibnall doesn't throw his toys out the pram for not getting a Doctor of his choice. Absolutely frelling disgraceful. Yeah The Moff got to start with a fresh doctor, but that was because Tennant wanted to leave. Capaldi does not, he has 2 or 3 years left in him. This last Series, he was finally the Doctor he could be, though it was not his fault, after his shaky first series, When the Moff was writing him as bit of a rude word, far too nasty & arrogant.

It's very old news, but a lot of Fans, especially older ones who were there, or saw it at the time cannot forgive him, there was some sort of guest interview either on TV, or at a major Convention, with Pip and Jane Baker, the 80's Who Writers. Chibnall got a chance to chat to them on stage, and proceeded to be extremely and deeply unpleasant to them.

It is going to be frustrating waiting 2 years to find out if he is going to destroy the show, or if he can rise up to the challenge, in which case I will be extremely apologetic, and since I don't own one of my own, I shall borrow someone's Hat and eat it!! :D

Incidently, I don't know if anyone hear knows or remembers, but do you remember RTD's "first" Doctor Who Series, made in 1991? :D It featured the Doctor in his weirdest Regeneration yet! And he gave us a Female Doctor at that!!!

I am of course referring to Dark Season, the main Heroine being 13 year old Marcie/The Doctor , and her two 15 year old Companions Tom and Reet (Kate Winslet in her first major role!!)
The villain of both Stories was a strange blonde chap, who never took off his sunglasses called, Mr Eldritch. Frustrated by Marcie, at one point he rants (I forget the exact sentence but its along the lines of) "Always there! Always trying to Stop me! Interfering with my Plans..."
Eldritch is of course The Master. Dark Season is actually a wonderful show, and I am amazed it has not yet been Rebooted as it would be perfect for 2016 - story 1 involved Eldritch gifting advanced computers to schools, which turn out to have some "extras" like brainwashing the user into Eldritch's slaves - so it is easily a story that would work well with the spread and variety of technology we now have - even the 2nd story, where Neo Nazi's led by Jacqueline "Blake's 7" Pierce who was a scientist of some sort working for the British War Effort in WW2, but was a Traitor, giving the Nazis secrets iirc" Her people are digging down to open up a top secret but forgotten by the government Bunker from ww2, where a massive Computation Device called "Behemoth" was constructed, and she believes she can use it to assist her in creating a new World Order...
Dark Season - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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I am suspecting from the posts so far, that nobody here knows who Chibnall is....

He is the man who gave Ianto's partially Cyber Converted Girlfriend Lisa, a Metal Bra and High Heels (like every Cyberman, Not!) he is the man who basically is the reason why the first couple of Torchwood seasons, if not totally bombed, then certainly nowhere near as popular as it should have been - he is a big reason why instead of Torchwood being the "adult sci fi drama set in the Dr Who universe, it was mostly more like it was aimed at sniggering, juvenile 15 year olds - You know Children of Earth was received much better and the Starz co-produced Torchwood Special was extremely popular? Guess what, Chibnall was not involved in them.... I don't know how the "normal" people viewed them, but his Dr Who episodes are very widely disliked amongst the Fans.

Remember Camelot and the UK remake of Law and Order? No? oh yeah, they bombed, big time. It has been pointed out that Broadchurch on which he was Show Runner was quite popular, and a couple of one of dramas, which fans generally seem to like, despite expecting crud since Chibnall was showrunner. Basically, his career of the last few years suggests that he is perfectly capable of running and writing a traditional drama series, but he cannot write decent Science Fiction, especially not Dr Who, and his episodes under Moffat were only not even worse because he had Moffat looking over his shoulder, unlike RTD's era where RTD was more concerned with giving mates jobs, than whether they were decent writers.

I have been a Fan since I was 5 in 1983. There have been lots of things I didn't like, and I was extremely worried when they revealed a chap who looked about 14 was hired to be the 11th Doctor, though thankfully, that turned out extremely well, as Matt turned out to be an awesome doctor. The Announcement that Chibnal is becoming Show Runner is the One and Only thing that is seriously going to challenge my love and loyalty to the show. I am seriously concerned that his first season will see our wonderful show Cancelled, and sent back to the Dark Times.

He simply does not have the experience, nor the skills to be the show runner of a major science fiction series, not one he has proven to struggle to write for well. Funnily enough when Camelot was canned after 1 series, he then turned round and claimed "I decided I was not going to work on the second one anyway" Like the Moff, he is a lifelong fan, but I am not sure he has the Moff's skill in putting the wider audience before the fans. End of the day, the Moff has been writing for, show running, and show creating a variety of different genre programmes for over 25 year years, RTD for all his various faults, did very well on a good day (hence the surprise when he was bad) and of course, he not only engineered the Show's return, but made it so popular, it is still here 10 years later, but then, like the Moff, RTD has also been writing, show running, and creating a variety of different genre shows for over 25 years. In contrast Chibnall has Show Run 2 major shows that were axed due to the audience switching off in droves, a couple of one off drama's 1 major show that was in fairness successful, and episodes for Dr Who, Life on Mars & Torchwood - Not really the CV for someone to be running Dr Who, yet.

The worst thing is though, and I wont ever forgive him for it, is they are literally kicking Capaldi out, so Chibnall doesn't throw his toys out the pram for not getting a Doctor of his choice. Absolutely frelling disgraceful. Yeah The Moff got to start with a fresh doctor, but that was because Tennant wanted to leave. Capaldi does not, he has 2 or 3 years left in him. This last Series, he was finally the Doctor he could be, though it was not his fault, after his shaky first series, When the Moff was writing him as bit of a rude word, far too nasty & arrogant.

It's very old news, but a lot of Fans, especially older ones who were there, or saw it at the time cannot forgive him, there was some sort of guest interview either on TV, or at a major Convention, with Pip and Jane Baker, the 80's Who Writers. Chibnall got a chance to chat to them on stage, and proceeded to be extremely and deeply unpleasant to them.

It is going to be frustrating waiting 2 years to find out if he is going to destroy the show, or if he can rise up to the challenge, in which case I will be extremely apologetic, and since I don't own one of my own, I shall borrow someone's Hat and eat it!! :D

Incidently, I don't know if anyone hear knows or remembers, but do you remember RTD's "first" Doctor Who Series, made in 1991? :D It featured the Doctor in his weirdest Regeneration yet! And he gave us a Female Doctor at that!!!

I am of course referring to Dark Season, the main Heroine being 13 year old Marcie/The Doctor , and her two 15 year old Companions Tom and Reet (Kate Winslet in her first major role!!)
The villain of both Stories was a strange blonde chap, who never took off his sunglasses called, Mr Eldritch. Frustrated by Marcie, at one point he rants (I forget the exact sentence but its along the lines of) "Always there! Always trying to Stop me! Interfering with my Plans..."
Eldritch is of course The Master. Dark Season is actually a wonderful show, and I am amazed it has not yet been Rebooted as it would be perfect for 2016 - story 1 involved Eldritch gifting advanced computers to schools, which turn out to have some "extras" like brainwashing the user into Eldritch's slaves - so it is easily a story that would work well with the spread and variety of technology we now have - even the 2nd story, where Neo Nazi's led by Jacqueline "Blake's 7" Pierce who was a scientist of some sort working for the British War Effort in WW2, but was a Traitor, giving the Nazis secrets iirc" Her people are digging down to open up a top secret but forgotten by the government Bunker from ww2, where a massive Computation Device called "Behemoth" was constructed, and she believes she can use it to assist her in creating a new World Order...
Dark Season - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oh Noooooo! (my best Mr. Bill impression) Now I'll be waiting for series 10, not only with impatience, but with a feeling of dread.
Just in case you're wrong, what flavor of hat do you prefer?:D
 
Why Good Sir, I would like a mint chocolate one, if possible!!! :D

The important thing that I suspect will make or break things is whether the Assistant Producer, Brian Minchin (He is from my hometown, Aberystwyth, and we went to Primary & Secondary School together, and his Mum was my Form Teacher in Secondary!!) other senior crew members/BBC Drama executives and the experienced Writers like Mark Gattis, etc, act as Yes Men, or will when he is planning something really crap, turn round and say, "Oi, Chris, hang on a moment" That was RTD's Achilles heel, and the reason for the less popular/rubbishy stuff he sometimes did, as he was surrounded by Yes Men, and senior people who I dare not name appropriately as this is a family friendly forum :cool: Those people being the reason even before filming was half finished why Christopher Eccleston turned round, and said "I'm only doing one series, dudes" he apparantly had deeply unpleasant experiences due to those people, something that was always rumoured amongst fandom, and which he iirc confirmed a couple years ago, when he had enough distance.

It's getting ridiculous these small Hiatus's just because the Big Man in the Show runners chair wants to toddle off and make Sherlock or whatever! - I have loved the Moffat Era the most, I love his belief in what Dr Who is, and thus has produced it as a Dark Fairy Tale, but he shouldn't have taken the job, if his creativity was going to keep interfering with the show. At the least he could have handed the reins during his Hiatus's to the writers and producers he trusted most, and keeping a distant eye to ensure quality control etc.

You remember The Moff's Comic Relief Dr Who Sketch/mini episodes? The Master getting "Etheric Beam Locators" off the Daleks, which look like breasts? That is what I am terrified Chibnall is going to give us, given Cyberwoman Lisa. Mind you the Cyber continuity mess ups are bad enough without the Torchwood one - "Emergency Upgrade" at Canary Wharf, where Yvonne Hartman met her metal fate, on screen in DW her Conversion was the standard "Upgrade" of the Cybusmen, cut head off, and stick it into armoured suit. That was Emergency Upgrade in Who. Yet in Torchwood, Lisa's Upgrade was traditional classic who style conversion, replace or reinforce limbs, a proper Cyborg - beneath the Cybermen there is or should be most of a person, not just the head - Cybusmen made no logical sense, you take a metal suit, filled with mechanics, and stick an organic head in the roof, you then process the mind turning it into a robot, essentially, so what's the point of the brain being there, why not exterminate the human and build a full robot.

Thankfully, the current version of the Cybermen, the Gaimanmen if you like, are traditional Cybermen, a person is taken, mechanics and armour drilled and hammered into and onto the body. I am still in Awe, that in the Missy/Cyberman finale that the Moff, a lifelong fan made a N00b mistake. You know that whole thing, the Doctor "noooes Clara!! Don't turn the emotion chip on, he will kill you" Why??? Turn a failed conversion, like Danny's chip on, you get, as we saw, a Danny who cannot feel, why would that make him kill Clara? If anyones emotions are turned off, they wont become killers, they will be themselves, just unfeeling. What makes a Cyberman, a Cyberman is the mind Processing, and Danny's had clearly failed, which is why he retained his personality. Not keen on the fact people scream as they are converted these days either, especially the first bunch of tramps we see Lumic upgrading, they scream, yet our last shot of them filing in, is under control of the ear implants, totally emotionless....
if the person being converted is suffering severe mental and emotional trauma during upgrade, due to the severe pain, then surely that would mess up the Upgrade? James Cordon's upgrade into a Controller failed because he was suffering serious emotional upset, love for his son, and the desire to protect him, so the opposite would presumably do the same, sadly it's not exactly a Canon position, as other than Cordon's, the only stories where trauma causes conversion failure, or will do so, so the subject is terminated is in Big Finish Audio's.

Cybermen, if you haven't guessed are one of my fave Who monsters - the new show can get away with a lot more than classic, modern kids are tougher nuts to scare, but the Cybes have the potential to be truly scary, the way the Daleks, and to a lesser degree the Cybermen were in the 1960's. When Tomb of the Cybermen was found and released on VHS Tape, I was about 14, and watched with my 7 or 8 year old Brother, who liked to watch my hard earned by paper round VHS Who purchases with me. It creeped the hell out of me, in a good way of course!!! My Brother, he was absolutely terrified by it, he didn't stop watching as such, but he was the first time I ever saw the most famous Dr Who reaction in person - someone ducking behind the sofa at certain parts!! :D if I could choose a couple of classic Who's to be rebooted for the new era, the choices would be, Tomb of the Cybermen, the 10th Planet, and Daleks: Invasion Earth. in some ways, Daleks:IE would be more difficult in terms of location filming - in 1963, London still had plenty of bomb sites, and wrecked rows of houses and so on, from WW2. But imagine it with the effects the Mill are now able to do for DW!! I would either change the Robomen a little, or create a 2nd group of Humans obeying Dalek Orders, people like Radcliffe or whatever his name is (Philip Madoc's role in the colour Movie version) the guy who offers to lead them into the Dalek camp, but is actually working for them - maybe units of Robomen could be led by an unbrainwashed human traitor, and so on.
 
I remember Dark Season. That was awesome.

It was indeed! I actually quite liked the early 90's Tomorrow People reboot with the guy of Neighbours. I don't know if the same rights holders are involved with the new Reboot, but it's certainly riffing off the early 90's one, with a secret government agency attempting to track down the "teleporters" for their own nefarious ends. Hell, they even had Jean Marsh (Queen Morgaine in Sly McCoy Who story, Battlefield) playing a mad scientist.

I think Dark Season is absolutely ripe for a reboot. the 2 original plots are still relevant 25 years later.
Plot 1 is something happening for real these days, well, the donation of PC's/Laptop's/Tablets to Schools by Companies and Philanthropists, however, so far as I know, none of these devices have begun turning the kids using them into the brainwashed Stormtroopers of a New Order, though it would explain Justin Bieber's unfathomable popularity!...... :ROFLMAO:

2nd Story too - A British Traitor from WW2 (I can't recall if Miss Pendragon was caught) teams up with a modern Neo Nazi group to uncover the Behemoth a British super weapon built but never used in WW2 capable of seizing control of all the nuclear missiles in the world, or something similar. Of course, they could have Miss Pendragon working with an Islamic States cell, rather than Neo Nazis :whistle:
 
Was really disappointed by that Battlefield story - had been looking forward to Jean Marsh's reappearance in DW - her 'real' role for me was Sara Kingdom, of course - Sara Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh dear, doesn't sound too good with this 'new' guy taking over ....
 
Was really disappointed by that Battlefield story - had been looking forward to Jean Marsh's reappearance in DW - her 'real' role for me was Sara Kingdom, of course - Sara Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh dear, doesn't sound too good with this 'new' guy taking over ....

The Budget for Battlefield got murdered, just like Remembrance of the Daleks :(

IIRC, the novelisation of Battlefield has some of the ideas budget didn't allow - I think the Knights were supposed to be in space age style versions of knightly armour, all polycarbon plastics and the like, with laser guns, and metal swords, for Honour on the battlefield. Not poorly put together suits of metal and boxes that made little blasts of sparks. The script also iirc showed the "ornithopters" the Baddies liken a Chopper too - IIRC Morgaine's Empire is supposed to encompass several planets in the arthurian dimension, been years since I read all that got cut.

Remembrance of the Daleks - either the Imperial or both Imperials and Renegades were going to have hovering battle platforms, with heavier weapons carrying them into battle on Londons streets, stuff like that. I think the compromise was poor "Bomie" the "Abomination" who was bullied by all the other Daleks because he was a little different, he had a bigger gun for a start and evil whispers claimed his larger power source for his big gun had sent him mad, so they were also scared of him, with good reason in fairness, since the Special Weapons Dalek as he prefers to be reffered to when on Duty blows the hell out of several Renegade scumbags in one discharge of his bigger, better gun!!! (That IS in the novelisation, about Bombie getting bullied wherever it is on their warships that Daleks Warrior Drones chill out.

Both stories funnily enough were Scripted and novelised by Ben Aaronovitch. His imagination was too big for Dr Who in 1988/1989, but is perfect for 2017. I am finding his "secret met police unit fighting the supernatural" books to be a bit unlikely. NOT the idea, that is right up my street, but a few books in, and the Lead still appears to be a Constable, not even a Detective Constable.

He and his Mentor are the last, and the only line of Defence, the Queen, Her Kingdom, and Subjects have against the forces of darkness, and evil magic, Peter Grant seems to literaly be the only other "Wizard" if there is anyone else with the ability, as it seems to be dying out, who would be willing to fight the darkness and luckilly was already a Met Copper.

One would imagine that would entail just a bit of promotion, by book 2 or 3, at least Detective Sarge for the pay and perks, if not straight up to DI, since he basically takes over investigations involving the spooky stuff, and runs into endless problems, being only a Constable, esp since he is working often with his former colleagues. And his Guv, the only other wizard is either a DCI or a Chief Super.....
 
Both stories funnily enough were Scripted and novelised by Ben Aaronovitch. His imagination was too big for Dr Who in 1988/1989, but is perfect for 2017.
If Ben Aaronovitch was writing then I might actually watch it again (and speaking as a fan from the very first epsiode when I could just sit up on the sofa without help.) His Peter Grant books are recommended too.
 
If Ben Aaronovitch was writing then I might actually watch it again (and speaking as a fan from the very first epsiode when I could just sit up on the sofa without help.) His Peter Grant books are recommended too.

I have read a couple of the Grant books, but they seem a bit unrealistic to me :whistle:

Not that Magic and supernatural stuff, that's all fine, but its 4 or 5 books in now, and Peter Grant's duties include investigation crime scenes on his own, taking over some, and kind of running some of the Investigations, along with being 1 out of only 2 people in the Police Unit he works for.

Yet, he is still on a Constable? Not even a Detective Constable, he's just a "woodentop" as Uniformed Met Officers used to be and probably still are nicknamed.

Yes, arguably he is certainly not experienced enough to be upgraded straight up to Inspector, though I seem to recall that he is a University graduate, in which case, he could be put on the Graduate Fast Track Stream - having done all the training and actually working on the job, Peter has far more experience to be rushed in as an Inspector - generally fast Track types go straight to rank of Inspector, even though unlike Peter they have degrees, but not experience of the job - IMHO it is a great mistake the Met made when they started doing it - by bringing in graduates with no boots on the ground experience and having them start out as Inspector, created an "Officer Corps" like the Army, and it is a big reason for many problems we see with the Police now - because they are being run by senior officers who consider themselves to be Politicians, not Coppers. It ignores the fact that the British Army has Survived despite, not because it has an "Officer Class"

Not to mention that an Officer starts in the Army as a 2nd class Lieutenant (what used to be called an Ensign) and as mad as the British Forces can be at times, they weren't mad enough to put a 2nd LT in command of an entire Company, you only got such a thing on a battlefield as a temporary measure when the Company Commander and any more senior officers were out of action due to death or injury. I would say a Police Inspector = Company Commander at rank of Major, Whilst Chief Inspector is full Colonel, and the 2 types of Chief Superintendent = lesser Generals.

So Peter needs to be rushed up to either an Inspector or at least a Detective Sergeant providing he can pass the exams, to give him muscle and authority when on investigations, especially if he is on his own, and leading at least the "spooky" part of things.
 

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